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You kept asking further questions.
Never in the history of psychology has feeding a psychological disease been considered effective in curing it.
Well one of them was about the line of what "Making an effort" or the equivalent statement you made, was
M4 i think you would need to back that statement.
@EmptyE Your further questioning requires that I go into greater detail does it not.
Nobody should make any effort to allow their speech to be forcibly policed.
Not by members of society or parliamentary government.
Nothing I've argued has been about the effectiveness or otherwise of treatments/Transitioning. @meratrix
let's say you were going to become a boy, but a doctor altered your chromosome so the Y wouldn't kick in
are you still a boy?
oh wait. I made that one claim about satisfaction
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/gender-dysphoria/
```A survey of 10,000 people undertaken in 2012 by the Equality and Human Rights Commission found that 1% of the population surveyed was gender variant, to some extent. ```
You might be correct.
There is no basis for the claim of satisafaction. Suicide rates remain the same after a transition.
Ok. You can have that. Thats why I said it once and backed away from it.
I'd rather people not go through an expensive procedure where there is no proof thay ir has an improvement.
@EmptyE Yes, but that stuff is what is behind my reasoning, therefore I will explain when asked about how I came to my conclusions about the social decorum.
there are also biological differences in trans people
Organs can be different and stuff
@meratrix then you are claiming that your reasoning and how you observe the best way to treat mental illness is good enough reason to not care about someones wishes when expressed fairly?
Expressed fairly being an important term there
Hopefully biomodding will be a thing one day and people can just swap and choose all this at will.
@Omsomething I could get behind that
@EmptyE I said if they recognize that refusing to see a phycologist is detrimental to them, and they donโt bitch at me for THEIR OWN DECISION, then I will oblige their request.
is LGBTQ mental illness? no
that is their gender identity
do you guys know that scandinavian documentarian who did a piece on gender where he interviewed simon baron cohen and some other folks?
trying to find that right now...
@meratrix might have mixed you up with someone else here. You also claimed I believe that said individual should be somewhat along in transitioning. Which is the bit I was poking. What constiuents transitioning enough?
and no Hooty, just the T
I think you're just transphobic
**AND THERE IT IS**
@EmptyE I will also not oblige them if they are just bitching about it, but are not actually attempting to help themselves.
*Confette*
You're a fucking Transphobe, kiddo. Therefore your argument is irrelevant.
how is it a mental illness?
It's delusional.
your feelings are delusional?
Feelings can perpetuate delusions.
OK so you shouldn't feel like a straight male
If I feel like I'm Pluto. That doesn't actually make me Pluto, does it?
it's delusional
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@EmptyE Itโs not about transitioning enough, itโs about making the effort. And bitching is a fairly universal term. EX: If they just yell at me for calling them by male pronouns when I have never met them before and they look very much male cause they havenโt even tried to transition.
How many would see this as a problem if changing your gender would be easy and reversible?
@meratrix yeah and if someone did that to me I'd refer to them exclusively by male pronouns because that persons clearly a cunt who should be bullied. but Bitching isn't that universal, some may say bitching requires multiple instances of a behaviour, some may say it's just a tone or an attitude
@meratrix and making an effort is surely subjective. Some people may demand tits before they class it as making an effort
let's see what psychology has to say about this
some may just want them to have a dress on
@EmptyE When I say making the effort, I mean have they actually tried to go to a phycologist and/or transition in any way. They could even just be researching it for themselves.
So in essence M4 you are mostly just worried about the medical implications to people who might be impressionable and not mentally stable?
@meratrix why should they disclose that to you for social decorum goods?
am I one of the idiots?
@EmptyE Because how will I know what to call them then. If they want me to oblige them, then they better make it known. And almost certainly they will be a close friend or something similar for them too feel comfortable telling me theyโre trans in the first place.
@M4Gunner
Well you are in the internet, people you dislike and do not want to talk with do not leave just because you want them to. It is a shared forum, and we all are on different levels of understanding on the topic.
@EmptyE I canโt go around in circles with you all day, I got other shit to do. See ya, you are much more enjoyable to chat with than Hooty.
@Deleted User This is a really great mini doc on gender and sexuality studies https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5LRdW8xw70
I think if someone LOOKS a certain way, and you address them according to how they present themselves and instead of just letting you know it's not what they are, they verbally accost you and call you transphobic then they can go fuck themselves.
@M4Gunner Presuppose? Fuck you mate. I put alot of damn effort in being as value neutral as possible
Being transgender is not a choice. Transgender people don't choose to cross over and live as the other gender. They are, and always have been, the other gender.
@Jek Porkins agreed.
Ah sure, hit me up later if you want to talk. I could be wrong but a LOT of people might be talking about separate things when they talk about this topic.
It has many sides in it and people usually assume everyone is talking about the same one.
but sometimes it is
just sayin
It never is
especially nowadays
@Thomas the Sowell Train [USA] Fairly certain that would be a false diagnosis of dysmoprhia
being a transvestite doesnt mean you have gender dysphoria
Gender dysphoria is not a choice, it's a condition
"Gender dysphoria, or gender identity disorder, is the distress a person experiences as a result of the sex and gender they were assigned at birth."
Once you choose to "be" the opposite gender, and begin to experience displeasure because of your actual gender, you have self-inflicted your dysphoria.
Congratulations, you found an article arguing one side of a highly controversial topic.
@EmptyE Iโm back for a quick sec, but yes, I also agree with both you and @Jek Porkins, my reasoning is for when it is obvious they are not the biological gender they say. I had a coworker once who had transitioned from female to male before I met him, had no fucking idea until he told me.
I'd say theres a massive seperation between displeasure from a choice, and psychology distress that would need treatment @Thomas the Sowell Train [USA]
its not controversial
do you not see how treating trans people as if they have a mental disorder can cause mental disorders in them?
Whose?
Sure, there's a difference between someone who has transtrendered, and someone who is say, chemically imbalanced.
Nope
Request
very different
@Deleted User treating a mental disorder as a mental disorder produces better results than pretending nothing is wrong
Yeah alright. But if you just want to make "what should the law be" arguments, well- that sounds really fucking dull
I'd probably look confused but then say 'alright, guess so' in that instance
why do the fuck do you keep dragging it to demands?
they do not choose their gender
lol
@Deleted User Correct, their chromosomes determine that.
there are biological, internal differences
we aren't just what you see on the outside
biological differences between a cis and trans?
no usually that's just part of the delusion, and when it is the case it's probably not what you think it is
if you put a female brain in a male body, are they then male?
no they're a mutant
I'm a ToM Cog studies grad
Same
what I'm saying is there are physiological differences that cause them to identify as a different sex
not true
yes it is fucking true
nope
There are psychological differences between the genders. This is a fact.
There are also only 2 genders
Second fact
@Hyddraigon Why should those facts matter in the social realm?
Unless you mean chemical imbalances in the brain which creates a personality disorder, for which the patient attempts to self-treat by adopting the delusion of being the wrong gender.
@Hyddraigon
What do you think of the natural hermies?
I think they're hot ๐
But as gender goes, you stated quite boldly that there is just 2 genders.
do gays and lesbians choose their preferences?
One question at a time
^ theres some scary data that suggests they might
Hermies are a result of genetic mutations
its the same thing
Biologically their systems are either female or male.
In families of 3 + boys the liklihood of a middle child turning out gay is signifacantly higher then the eldest or youngest
So hermies do not have any biological differences as compared to others of their "real gender"?
Plenty of homosexuals choose to be that way, but that doesn't mean there's anything wrong with it.
Biologically, no they don't
They just have extra parts
Yfw Alex Jones was right
They're turning the freaking ~~frogs~~ humans gay
I do not know the subject matter, i assume you have a solid proof that it is as you say? I can take your word for it because like i said i do not know.
I say it with 90% confidence.
You can always google for proof.
But I'm quite sure in what I say
you know gay men try to be straight in many cases and cant do it
its not a choice
Sure, and in plenty of cases, they just prefer men.
And that's fine.
Homosexuality is, I believe, a genetics thing yes
Not entirely.
Something to do with over exposure to oestrogen in the womb.
I don't know the specifics
you are sold now
yes
So what you're saying is trannies are <:high_iq:382980759012638731> <:high_iq:382980759012638731> <:high_iq:382980759012638731>
why do you think children grow up in normal households treated as a particular gender, but always feel like they are in the wrong body's?
Children have little concept of gender please stop abusing prepubescent kids.
Thanks
they grow up into adulthood and feel this way their whole life
"So like when my kid was negative 1 years of age he came out to me as gay and I was soooooo happy"
What *I'm* saying is traits of gender dysphoria come about around puberty and not before.
no, it just gets more difficult then
**skellen#2663** was cleansed from the server.
Okay so you're a psychologist and you can confirm this then
Hooty we all know you're pulling this shit out of your ass.
have you not seen documentaries on this?
Tbh I don't know why we bother debating the subjects when we know for 99% certainty the opposition is too interested in their own ideals to see things otherways
One of these days that brain imaging will be used on population in general, what do you think would the results of it be?
If you can predict those in people you should be able to screen the general population for the said traits and see how they have handled their sexual identity.
Even servers like this can lowkey become an echo chaimber <:think_woke:378717098681171988>
read the fucking websites I posted dumb fucks
We did.
it says clearly it begins in early childhood
Insulting the opposition doesn't make them more likely to listen to you ๐
Hold up, just having people of similar opinions all in one place isn't an echo chamber.
you think you arent insulting me?
We don't actively remove dissenting voices.
Fair point
Hooty when you are shouting at people please use @ if you want correct people to assume you are talking to them.
And beyond that we have some serious dissent.
There is many people in this discussion.
Point out where we (or I, at least) have insulted you.
Not me.
Shoot all commies on sight.
It's the correct thing to do.
My red coloration is purely incidental.
๐
FUCKING
COMMIE
GET HIM
they have been doubting me for hours and I've proven them wrong dozens of times
Start the rotors!
Oh Marx help me they are unto me!
they never learn
You have been proven wrong too, Hooty. but because it doesn't fit your narrative you ignore it.
Stop cherry picking for starters.
Hooty, can you give me a quick recap what you have stated and what you have proven?
anyway, I proved transgender is not a mental illness now drop it
Hooty = https://youtu.be/o1eHKf-dMwo
Uh
Hooty
You do realize that gender dysphora is classified as a mental defect right?
Because
It's an imbalance
In the brain
Like how other mental illnesses are imbalances in the brain.
So yes. Transgenderism is, by definition, a mental disorder.
If you take offense to this then you're just overly sensitive.
read the articles
Is sociopathy mental illness? As i understand you can predict that from brains of a child as well.
And i am NOT comparing the two just stating that your statement that is is not mental illness due to reasons of brain differences might not be as valid as you think.
No. On Theory of Mind and Mental Health
Trans was just where we ended up
A lot of things have been called illnesses in history. As i understand not believing in god was one of them.
conversation
I've worked in counselling prior which is where the work experience comes from
but that was basic "lets just say nice things to you and hope it helps because we have no money to train anyone" shit
oh and provide links to online CBT courses ๐
oh yeah its atrocious
6 month training course to be a practitioner in CBT in the UK. No prior relevent qualifacations needed. Fucking disgusting
Therapy, imo, requires time and investment on the therapists part to figure out what each patient would actually respond too
Most either don't feel they have to do that, or literally have a work load so high they can't
Eh...
Most people who engage in self-improvement shit are already doing CBT to the level a therapist would teach them to anyway
^ agreed
^
Well as i understand what psychoanalysts say are less important as compared what patients say. Usually the main point of it is to make the people self-reflect.
@Omsomething yah, which means if you are already a reflective person its often just frustrating
That is CBT
Maybe, could be something one should talk with his psycho analyst.
the rest is just window dressing to make you BELIEVE you are doing something more
because that belief has been shown to have marked effects on success
It takes a lot of trust from the side of the pscyhoanalyst to have more "sharp edges" since it can really clam some people up.
I assume.
No expert here.
I agree with all of that @Omsomething @M4Gunner
I wonder is there a book named "How to train your psychoanalyst" out there?
Pills can be good at that point. I've found that one of the things meds are good for is quieting parts of the mind so you can see new and different perspectives in the moments of stress. Then use these insights without the meds after the fact.
Eh
Jordan is a smart man i am sure, but a lot of people might see him as a too strong of a figure.
gotta get paid
How do I post pictures
you cant
I find his positive case to be fairly dull and outdated. Like, I agree with alot of what hes diagnosed as problems. But take issue with his solutions.
Fuck
This picture is so epic
I am quite sure Peterson does not say what he says on media to his patients before he has analyzed the case.
How do I get the upgrade?
Can I just buy Sargon Premium?
so what did we learn today?
We are Capitalists
They took it off the app store
SO YES
I learned that Hooty is a racist
we need more owls
we learnt that you have the weirdest trolling method around @Deleted User
If you have the money we have the PRODUCT
Bro
bro
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