@EmptyE Yes, but that stuff is what is behind my reasoning, therefore I will explain when asked about how I came to my conclusions about the social decorum.

there are also biological differences in trans people

Organs can be different and stuff

@meratrix then you are claiming that your reasoning and how you observe the best way to treat mental illness is good enough reason to not care about someones wishes when expressed fairly?

Expressed fairly being an important term there

Hopefully biomodding will be a thing one day and people can just swap and choose all this at will.

@Omsomething I could get behind that

@EmptyE I said if they recognize that refusing to see a phycologist is detrimental to them, and they don’t bitch at me for THEIR OWN DECISION, then I will oblige their request.

is LGBTQ mental illness? no

that is their gender identity

do you guys know that scandinavian documentarian who did a piece on gender where he interviewed simon baron cohen and some other folks?

trying to find that right now...

@meratrix might have mixed you up with someone else here. You also claimed I believe that said individual should be somewhat along in transitioning. Which is the bit I was poking. What constiuents transitioning enough?

and no Hooty, just the T

I think you're just transphobic

**AND THERE IT IS**

@EmptyE I will also not oblige them if they are just bitching about it, but are not actually attempting to help themselves.

*Confette*

You're a fucking Transphobe, kiddo. Therefore your argument is irrelevant.

how is it a mental illness?

@meratrix what classifies as bitching then?

It's delusional.

your feelings are delusional?

Feelings can perpetuate delusions.

OK so you shouldn't feel like a straight male

If I feel like I'm Pluto. That doesn't actually make me Pluto, does it?

it's delusional

🤦

@EmptyE It’s not about transitioning enough, it’s about making the effort. And bitching is a fairly universal term. EX: If they just yell at me for calling them by male pronouns when I have never met them before and they look very much male cause they haven’t even tried to transition.

How many would see this as a problem if changing your gender would be easy and reversible?

@meratrix yeah and if someone did that to me I'd refer to them exclusively by male pronouns because that persons clearly a cunt who should be bullied. but Bitching isn't that universal, some may say bitching requires multiple instances of a behaviour, some may say it's just a tone or an attitude

@meratrix and making an effort is surely subjective. Some people may demand tits before they class it as making an effort

let's see what psychology has to say about this

some may just want them to have a dress on

@EmptyE When I say making the effort, I mean have they actually tried to go to a phycologist and/or transition in any way. They could even just be researching it for themselves.

So in essence M4 you are mostly just worried about the medical implications to people who might be impressionable and not mentally stable?

@meratrix why should they disclose that to you for social decorum goods?

am I one of the idiots?

@EmptyE Because how will I know what to call them then. If they want me to oblige them, then they better make it known. And almost certainly they will be a close friend or something similar for them too feel comfortable telling me they’re trans in the first place.

@M4Gunner
Well you are in the internet, people you dislike and do not want to talk with do not leave just because you want them to. It is a shared forum, and we all are on different levels of understanding on the topic.

@M4Gunner new questions, new crowd to me mate. Don't have to engage