are you still a boy?

oh wait. I made that one claim about satisfaction

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/gender-dysphoria/

```A survey of 10,000 people undertaken in 2012 by the Equality and Human Rights Commission found that 1% of the population surveyed was gender variant, to some extent. ```

You might be correct.

There is no basis for the claim of satisafaction. Suicide rates remain the same after a transition.

Ok. You can have that. Thats why I said it once and backed away from it.

I'd rather people not go through an expensive procedure where there is no proof thay ir has an improvement.

@EmptyE Yes, but that stuff is what is behind my reasoning, therefore I will explain when asked about how I came to my conclusions about the social decorum.

there are also biological differences in trans people

Organs can be different and stuff

@meratrix then you are claiming that your reasoning and how you observe the best way to treat mental illness is good enough reason to not care about someones wishes when expressed fairly?

Expressed fairly being an important term there

Hopefully biomodding will be a thing one day and people can just swap and choose all this at will.

@Omsomething I could get behind that

@EmptyE I said if they recognize that refusing to see a phycologist is detrimental to them, and they don’t bitch at me for THEIR OWN DECISION, then I will oblige their request.

is LGBTQ mental illness? no

that is their gender identity

do you guys know that scandinavian documentarian who did a piece on gender where he interviewed simon baron cohen and some other folks?

trying to find that right now...

@meratrix might have mixed you up with someone else here. You also claimed I believe that said individual should be somewhat along in transitioning. Which is the bit I was poking. What constiuents transitioning enough?

and no Hooty, just the T

I think you're just transphobic

**AND THERE IT IS**

@EmptyE I will also not oblige them if they are just bitching about it, but are not actually attempting to help themselves.

*Confette*

You're a fucking Transphobe, kiddo. Therefore your argument is irrelevant.

how is it a mental illness?

@meratrix what classifies as bitching then?

It's delusional.

your feelings are delusional?

Feelings can perpetuate delusions.

OK so you shouldn't feel like a straight male

If I feel like I'm Pluto. That doesn't actually make me Pluto, does it?

it's delusional

🤦

@EmptyE It’s not about transitioning enough, it’s about making the effort. And bitching is a fairly universal term. EX: If they just yell at me for calling them by male pronouns when I have never met them before and they look very much male cause they haven’t even tried to transition.

How many would see this as a problem if changing your gender would be easy and reversible?

@meratrix yeah and if someone did that to me I'd refer to them exclusively by male pronouns because that persons clearly a cunt who should be bullied. but Bitching isn't that universal, some may say bitching requires multiple instances of a behaviour, some may say it's just a tone or an attitude

@meratrix and making an effort is surely subjective. Some people may demand tits before they class it as making an effort

let's see what psychology has to say about this

some may just want them to have a dress on