That is simply not a part of conservatism.

Conservative social values? Do you mean conservative in the context of the US or conservative in the since of preserving existing policy?

I’m talking about conservative social values, not conservatism, though fascism/nationalism is of course on the far right of the conservative spectrum

And is within conservative movement’s, as it is in the US and as it was in Germany in the 30’s

The KKK is a fascist organization for instance

As was the silver legion

It actually isn't. Nazi Germany, for example, had elements from both the left and the right.

So you mean conservative in the context of the united states or whatever country you call home then

GG @Soup Can Sam, you just advanced to level 1!

The Nazi party grew out of the conservative German parties

Conservative according to what though?

The more moderate German parties believe they could use the Nazis to drive up populist support for their coalition

"conservative" isn't a catch all term with a set definition in terms of social implication

Conservative according to local tradition

Its entirely reliant on the current state of affairs and what society you are talking about

Well, sort of

Ok well then according to local tradition, the Nazi's were extremely progressive

Social conservatism is always about the supremacy of family values and a return to a more “upright” time

You’re conflating the social and political here

I'm really not

social conservativism is still directly related to the current society

So when I say German conservatives

I mean the German National people’s party

The conservative German Party

The Nazi's can't be grouped into either left or right because they literally utilized both ends to gain and maintain power.

Who wanted the Nazi party (which was to the right of them) to be a bulwark against the leftist parties

No, the Nazis were a far right party

They can be grouped only on the right

Just as the communists can be grouped only on the left

Fascism is a far-right ideology

Despite the Nazi's having socialistic elements?

The Nazi party didn't grow out of conservative parties, it grew almost entirely out of the revolutionary parties and straight up killing political opponents

No, it literally grew out of the conservative parties

Not “grew out” in some ideological sense

I mean literally the people in the conservative parties drifted to the right and founded the Nazi party

Again this is not conjecture, this is history

And yes, fascism is a far right movement

fascism, as in the use of force to suppress people, is not at all intrinsic to the right.

Fascism is defined by more than that

Authoritarianism, yes

But fascism is exclusively a right wing ideology

Just as conservatism is. It’s a raw definition

The busting of unions was a crucial part of the Nazis platform, and where they found accord with the conservative parties

Should we move this to government channel

I’ll be unavailable for a bit, will respond to anything you say when I am

probably

Ok, please respond over there then 😃

Sophiesticated is an atheist. Doesn't have any moral or philosophical thought on religion. He is fact based and only reads by the "Factually Recorded Politically Correct" narrative.

And a globalist, The only way to ensure globalism is possible is by toppling the existence of any religion which in turn leads to full blown atheism.

Alright lets calm down here, we weren't addressing religion

(although given this is the channel for that this should have been talked about elsewhere from the start)

lmao

@Platinum Spark goddamn gantz supporter🙄

Yes, if you're an athiest you can't have "any moral or philosophical thought on religion". @!GoldenKingship! is the stupidest person on the server right now, I'm convinced (though some of you are giving this trash bag a run for it's money)

First of all, im not an atheist

Don’t know where you got that @!GoldenKingship!

Weird thing to assume when I know way more about Christianity than you...

@Deleted User yes, obviously I favor Gantz

I’m against conservatives and corruption, and for international stability

Though I am not surprised someone with a Russian flag avatar does not.

Nazism was birthed from many ideologies, so it is hard to say if one is left or right

Wrong venue

Yeah, go to government

It was a mess

Yeah it was

Although they were real naczis

Wrong venue dude

wdym venue?

Go to the government channel

channel

ohhh

Wha

Hi im alex and im from jaffa tel aviv

shaddup

Jaffa Tel Aviv😎

🇮🇱

says the goth dude in black in white

Wtf

@Katze Miaulitzer wtf dym??

pfp @Deleted User

That’s not goth

That’s alexei the son of Nikolai ii

it looks goth

@Katze Miaulitzer dumbass german savage uncultured swine

says the russian

Aleksey lived in the early 1900s

Of course it was black and right cretin

Dumbass german swine

Fucking sub human animals

wow

lets chill

<:haha:583236087137435659>

Sure

yes the interbreeding russians

Oh please

Oi Oi

Da?

you mean this

Wow ugly t shirt

To be fair