The more moderate German parties believe they could use the Nazis to drive up populist support for their coalition

"conservative" isn't a catch all term with a set definition in terms of social implication

Conservative according to local tradition

Its entirely reliant on the current state of affairs and what society you are talking about

Well, sort of

Ok well then according to local tradition, the Nazi's were extremely progressive

Social conservatism is always about the supremacy of family values and a return to a more “upright” time

You’re conflating the social and political here

I'm really not

social conservativism is still directly related to the current society

So when I say German conservatives

I mean the German National people’s party

The conservative German Party

The Nazi's can't be grouped into either left or right because they literally utilized both ends to gain and maintain power.

Who wanted the Nazi party (which was to the right of them) to be a bulwark against the leftist parties

No, the Nazis were a far right party

They can be grouped only on the right

Just as the communists can be grouped only on the left

Fascism is a far-right ideology

Despite the Nazi's having socialistic elements?

The Nazi party didn't grow out of conservative parties, it grew almost entirely out of the revolutionary parties and straight up killing political opponents

No, it literally grew out of the conservative parties

Not “grew out” in some ideological sense

I mean literally the people in the conservative parties drifted to the right and founded the Nazi party

Again this is not conjecture, this is history

And yes, fascism is a far right movement

fascism, as in the use of force to suppress people, is not at all intrinsic to the right.

Fascism is defined by more than that

Authoritarianism, yes

But fascism is exclusively a right wing ideology

Just as conservatism is. It’s a raw definition

The busting of unions was a crucial part of the Nazis platform, and where they found accord with the conservative parties

Should we move this to government channel

I’ll be unavailable for a bit, will respond to anything you say when I am

probably

Ok, please respond over there then 😃

Sophiesticated is an atheist. Doesn't have any moral or philosophical thought on religion. He is fact based and only reads by the "Factually Recorded Politically Correct" narrative.

And a globalist, The only way to ensure globalism is possible is by toppling the existence of any religion which in turn leads to full blown atheism.

Alright lets calm down here, we weren't addressing religion

(although given this is the channel for that this should have been talked about elsewhere from the start)

lmao