Message from @Soup Can Sam

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2019-09-12 19:24:47 UTC  

Specifically, fascism in the context of the ideology prevalent in countries during WWII.

2019-09-12 19:25:32 UTC  

I think your definition of fascism is incomplete

2019-09-12 19:26:00 UTC  

Fascism always includes all the things I laid out, including a commitment to conservative social values

2019-09-12 19:26:13 UTC  

I mean it isn't though. If anything, your application of the term is far too broad.

2019-09-12 19:26:16 UTC  

Nationalism is, in a political sense, synonymous with fascism

2019-09-12 19:26:27 UTC  

My application is more narrow than yours

2019-09-12 19:26:46 UTC  

For instance, the Modi government is a fascist government, the BNP is a fascist party

2019-09-12 19:26:56 UTC  

Because again, conservatives are not the individuals who would overthrow the preexisting government.

2019-09-12 19:27:04 UTC  

That is simply not a part of conservatism.

2019-09-12 19:27:15 UTC  

Conservative social values? Do you mean conservative in the context of the US or conservative in the since of preserving existing policy?

2019-09-12 19:27:50 UTC  

I’m talking about conservative social values, not conservatism, though fascism/nationalism is of course on the far right of the conservative spectrum

2019-09-12 19:28:13 UTC  

And is within conservative movement’s, as it is in the US and as it was in Germany in the 30’s

2019-09-12 19:28:21 UTC  

The KKK is a fascist organization for instance

2019-09-12 19:28:24 UTC  

As was the silver legion

2019-09-12 19:28:29 UTC  

It actually isn't. Nazi Germany, for example, had elements from both the left and the right.

2019-09-12 19:28:38 UTC  

So you mean conservative in the context of the united states or whatever country you call home then

2019-09-12 19:28:38 UTC  

GG @Soup Can Sam, you just advanced to level 1!

2019-09-12 19:28:47 UTC  

The Nazi party grew out of the conservative German parties

2019-09-12 19:28:59 UTC  

Conservative according to what though?

2019-09-12 19:29:12 UTC  

The more moderate German parties believe they could use the Nazis to drive up populist support for their coalition

2019-09-12 19:29:13 UTC  

"conservative" isn't a catch all term with a set definition in terms of social implication

2019-09-12 19:29:34 UTC  

Conservative according to local tradition

2019-09-12 19:29:37 UTC  

Its entirely reliant on the current state of affairs and what society you are talking about

2019-09-12 19:29:44 UTC  

Well, sort of

2019-09-12 19:29:57 UTC  

Ok well then according to local tradition, the Nazi's were extremely progressive

2019-09-12 19:30:15 UTC  

Social conservatism is always about the supremacy of family values and a return to a more “upright” time

2019-09-12 19:30:24 UTC  

You’re conflating the social and political here

2019-09-12 19:30:34 UTC  

I'm really not

2019-09-12 19:30:48 UTC  

social conservativism is still directly related to the current society

2019-09-12 19:30:54 UTC  

So when I say German conservatives

2019-09-12 19:31:10 UTC  

I mean the German National people’s party

2019-09-12 19:31:16 UTC  

The conservative German Party

2019-09-12 19:31:38 UTC  

The Nazi's can't be grouped into either left or right because they literally utilized both ends to gain and maintain power.

2019-09-12 19:31:41 UTC  

Who wanted the Nazi party (which was to the right of them) to be a bulwark against the leftist parties

2019-09-12 19:31:49 UTC  

No, the Nazis were a far right party

2019-09-12 19:31:55 UTC  

They can be grouped only on the right

2019-09-12 19:32:02 UTC  

Just as the communists can be grouped only on the left

2019-09-12 19:32:18 UTC  

Fascism is a far-right ideology

2019-09-12 19:32:19 UTC  

Despite the Nazi's having socialistic elements?

2019-09-12 19:32:24 UTC  

The Nazi party didn't grow out of conservative parties, it grew almost entirely out of the revolutionary parties and straight up killing political opponents

2019-09-12 19:32:38 UTC  

No, it literally grew out of the conservative parties