Trump is a big pile of shit

Definitely not just Trump, agreed

I mean, his approval is still something like 50 percent right?

Half of Americans love the guy

Did somebody say something about child porn? <:ainz:538084033410891776>

That sounds pretty illegal

I don't think I want my anus gauged quite so big in jail

The FBI is already here

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+1 for communism and socialism

I can "see" the reason people believe in God, the same way I can "see" why people practice female circumcision with pieces of broken glass.

Established monotheistic religions especially (versus some kind of a "personal god")

Making fun of people's voices <:waitwhat:583236680903950355> Are you 12?

https://www.politicalcompass.org/certificate?pname=Bill%20Cosby&ec=-3.13&soc=-2.87

Modern nuclear is extremely safe. The handling and storage of nuclear waste is mostly a logistical issue - there is PLENTY of room to store it contained.

As for denying global warming or what right-wingers are finally "upgrading" to - claiming it's just nature, not manmade - how do you feel smart when your opinions differ from vast consensus in the scientific community? Do you believe you're smarter in this topic than all of them? Or is it conspiracy theories about Hillary Clinton paying all those scientists off?

Totally demented. I hope you're just greedy morally defunct people (lots of evidence to support that) who stand to gain money in some way by denying it. That, I can accept. But intellectual dishonestly and rampant disrespect for the scientists who elevated us out of the dark ages? Shame on you.

"suprematists" don't exist, so I think Black Lives Matter wins by default there.

Yeah, 15 seems a bit low to me as well. In many places, 15 is barely enough to scrape by.

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Socialism > Communism

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Lame

What happens if you inherit a million bucks under socialism?

Big Brother takes it?

Lol

Don't conflate socialism with the other aspects surrounding it.

There can be a socialistic society where you can "inherit a million bucks"

Literally, what is the point of a "minimum wage" if it's not enough for people to live a comfortable life?

Everyone has a different perception of what is "comfortable", sure.

But I think it's not so difficult to settle on some common sense metrics (like not working 40+ hours per week, just to make ends meet)

Yes, people are prone to take advantage of wiggle room - and people are prone to overspending and living out of their means.

Does it make sense that people who work as hard (or harder) than others get paid less?

The Walmart CEO isn't working thousands of times harder than his employees.

Why is he getting paid thousands of times more?

I understand that market conditions regulate salary (for the most part) - if the CEO wasn't "worth" that much, the company (or board of directors or stockholders or w/e) should be able to find a cheaper employee, right?

But somehow this doesn't end up working so well

In fact, it ends up working in a disgusting and immoral manner

I'm not a specialist on the matter, but you don't have to be to see how bad it is

I think ultimately, people in those positions get there due to pure luck. Whether through family connections (as is usual) or other means

Okay, so minimum wage is a different topic? I mean, it sort of is

But if you start regulating the "upper bound" on what is a reasonable wage for certain positions, why not a "lower bound"?

If it's ridiculous for a CEO to earn thousands of times what his employees earn, isn't it ridiculous for employees to earn not enough to...live?

Perhaps you have a more fancy version of fixing the problem

But without overhauling quite a few systems, I don't see a better solution than increasing minimum wage (both to compensate for inflation, as well as realistic economic opportunities in the places where they live)

Yeah, simply cutting CEO pay isn't going to do much, sure

What's going on here?

I'm also for universal basic income

I agree about the free market regulating things, for the most part. However, when a particular wage isn't enough for "living", isn't that enough reason to set a boundary?

You said you don't like minimum wage - do you think it should go away completely, then?

$0 minimum wage?

Tell me though, I'm curious how extreme you are about this

Okay

Now, THAT has been proven to be detrimental and leads to slave-like conditions for workers

Perhaps there are other systems you'd have in place to offset that?

If NOTHING ELSE there are people who are stupid (or mentally ill), or immigrants without language skills and serious insecurities, or etc, that can be taken advantage of

Somebody will probably take the job - that's what ends up happening man

It's exploitation

People get screwed by their employers all the time. I had an ex who worked as a waitress and her "minimum wage" was even lower (wtf?) - and her boss took her tips

Without government regulation, this stuff happens time and time again

Minimum wage is just ONE check-and-balance to keep things from being too fucked up

Why didn't she quit, right?

She was a middle-class white American girl

Why not just find another job?

Maybe she was just stupid!

But she worked there for almost a year. Even when living with her parents and being able to find somewhere else.

People get bent over the barrel man

Even WITH "good" minimum wage

I also see what you are saying

And again, I am very pro free market working things out

To me, it makes perfect sense that it would sort itself out

But that's in a perfect situation where everyone is intelligent and able to switch jobs willy nilly, you know?

Like, a simple wrench to throw in those gears is how people need money NOW to pay for stuff. And they desire stability and stuff from their job. They get hired at a suboptimal rate, they are very likely to stay there, even if it's shitty

You can blame them for being dumb, when the next door fast food place if offering a bit more money

But it's not so simple in real life situations

And don't forget about monopolization as well as unofficial cooperation that almost certainly goes on behind closed doors

Is it really that hard for businesses to band together to screw people by all offering extra low wages?

Of course

Basically, I see this a bit as a "theory" versus "practical application" type thing. In theory, it makes sense to let the free market regulate this stuff, but in practice it doesn't seem to work well.

So, while some kind of an overhaul of the system might make more sense, at least for shorter term solutions, playing with minimum wage is a way to offset some of the bad stuff

That too. It's really tricky and full of variables

But as far as minimum wage goes - there are real tangible benefits. Some reported negatives as well, yes. But even if you use the "free market" model - the person you will be paying 15/hr is PROBABLY going to end up being a more valuable asset than the 7/hr guy anyways, no?

Like, you're gonna hire the best guy

And more money attracts better people

Will if fully compensate for itself? Probably not in many cases, tbh

But morally, it's good. And for society as a whole, it seems good. Your burger flipper is better at flipping his burgers (and all the other stuff that comes with the job), and he's going to have a better life, have better kids, etc

But why not? Why not have the minimum be something that lets you live - again, everyone's definition of "comfortable" is different, but surely there are some basics that aren't hard to agree upon

Isn't it sadistic to have somebody work hard all day, and not be able to support themselves?

Stop imagining the lazy guy who wants to work as little as possible and wants to just "squeeze by" with handouts

Much more typical is the HARD WORKER who works 40+ hours per week

Why doesn't he deserve a comfortable life?

He's not working any less than other people! In fact, many of those jobs are harder and require MORE work

Alright, say something smart now.

You're religious too, so I know this is going to be Good and Smart.

Pure speculation.

Too many variables at play to make an argument like "inheritance doesn't work" when socialism is involved.

You can still have rich people and (comparatively) poor people with socialism.

The difference is that the poor aren't buttfucked into the dirt without a toilet to crap in, and the rich aren't shitting in solid gold toilets with supermodels wiping their assholes.

Where did you live, where $11 per hour was your wage, and your living conditions seemed adequate to you - with $500 of throwaway money too! What was your rent? What modern amenities did you have (TV, PC with fast internet, etc)?