Message from @Soup Can Sam
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Nationalism is, in a political sense, synonymous with fascism
My application is more narrow than yours
For instance, the Modi government is a fascist government, the BNP is a fascist party
Because again, conservatives are not the individuals who would overthrow the preexisting government.
That is simply not a part of conservatism.
Conservative social values? Do you mean conservative in the context of the US or conservative in the since of preserving existing policy?
I’m talking about conservative social values, not conservatism, though fascism/nationalism is of course on the far right of the conservative spectrum
And is within conservative movement’s, as it is in the US and as it was in Germany in the 30’s
The KKK is a fascist organization for instance
As was the silver legion
It actually isn't. Nazi Germany, for example, had elements from both the left and the right.
So you mean conservative in the context of the united states or whatever country you call home then
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The Nazi party grew out of the conservative German parties
Conservative according to what though?
The more moderate German parties believe they could use the Nazis to drive up populist support for their coalition
"conservative" isn't a catch all term with a set definition in terms of social implication
Conservative according to local tradition
Its entirely reliant on the current state of affairs and what society you are talking about
Well, sort of
Social conservatism is always about the supremacy of family values and a return to a more “upright” time
You’re conflating the social and political here
I'm really not
social conservativism is still directly related to the current society
So when I say German conservatives
I mean the German National people’s party
The conservative German Party
The Nazi's can't be grouped into either left or right because they literally utilized both ends to gain and maintain power.
Who wanted the Nazi party (which was to the right of them) to be a bulwark against the leftist parties
No, the Nazis were a far right party
They can be grouped only on the right
Just as the communists can be grouped only on the left
Fascism is a far-right ideology
Despite the Nazi's having socialistic elements?
The Nazi party didn't grow out of conservative parties, it grew almost entirely out of the revolutionary parties and straight up killing political opponents
No, it literally grew out of the conservative parties
Not “grew out” in some ideological sense
I mean literally the people in the conservative parties drifted to the right and founded the Nazi party
Again this is not conjecture, this is history
And yes, fascism is a far right movement