Okay, so get this degree

then go to trade school.

Takes 1.5 years to learn a trade

sometimes 6 months.

So I can get even more debt?

Depends on the trade.

Dude

Tech school costs like 5k

and is in super high demand.

A lot of trades sponsor your apprenticeship

I was offered like 5 scholarships straight out of high school ( a few of those were for being in foster care though.) I don't know about your state, but Tennessee loves tech school.

I can't think of a single trade, or career in general that interests me

Draw something out of a hat lol

I literally randomly chose hvac, knowing NOTHING about it.

I didn't even know the proper names for tools.

I the love the trade.

You honestly just have to take a stab at things to find what your passionate about. It's obviously not finance

Gt3 I told you I was in the same boat. 5 years into a conventional college and 30k in debt

Left and learned a trade. Manufacturing. Paid my debt in 2 years

@crustyoreo I wish I was only 30k in debt

Yeah I busted my ass and lived like a pauper but there was light at the end of the tunnel

There is no light at the end of my tunnel. Everything I do fucks me over somehow.

In five years I paid the debt, bought the house, bought my weekend car, a 911 and bought my daily driver a newer golf all cash. Only debt is my mortgage

Hard work pays off.

Bought and tinker with motorcycles during the winter in the garage. Keeps me sane

My hard work has never lead to any benefit to myself.

Work hard in the gym? No muscle gain

Another note, when I bought the house I was supposed to be happy. I wasn't. I felt like you do. Not suicidal but if it ended I'd be fine w it.

Work hard in school? Grades slip

So I got a dog

Dude I'm skinny too

Work hard at a sport? Get benched for other players

Lol, I'm on a steroid cycle

See profile image. Little Pomeranian who was a rescue. Bring her to the park and girls walk over to me. Sure they just wanna let the dog but it helps with experience

None of my hard work has ever paid off

Pet the dog*

@crustyoreo that's genius

That's why I've pretty much given up on everything

Why should I work hard in school if it'll never pay off?

Why should I bust my ass in the gym if I'll never make progress?

Im not telling you what to do I'm just saying I went through something similar and came out on top imo

Why should I pursue sports if I'll only get benched for players worse than me

Why should I pursue a relationship if nobody will ever be interested?

Something to he said about the single life to. I saw Tom was going to cpac so I planned the trip one week before the event. Had no agenda and had a great time

Literally nothing has ever worked out for me

You have to win the little victories. Be grateful for what you do have and what you do accomplish. It sets you up for more

^

There are no little victories

Small things like making eye contact with people you walk by.. That increases confidence surprisingly

You wake up every single day with an opportunity millions won't have.

Billions, even.

You are an American.

Throw yourself into uncomfortable situations and look back at how you are resilient and survived despite the anxiety you faced

I'd love to be an American. You have that on me

I've tried that.

Doesn't do anything for me

Except make me uncomfortable

You are like skin.

If you put yourself in uncomfortable situations

You will become calloused.

It won't bother you.

This is good confidence for harder tasks.

Like dating.

It doesn't happen overnight.

It's a building process.

It's emotional muscle.

I've already explained that none of my effort has ever resulted in a positive outcome for me.

So why be uncomfortable if I won't get anything out of it

@wwezombiegod might as well block me now.

GT

Do you cook dinner for yourself?

No I'm serious.

I have

If you cook dinner for yourself, you have a positive outcome.

If you get dressed to go to school.

That's postiive.

🙄

You are able to complete a simple task.

I'm being serious.

You are choosing to look at the negative.

No I'm not

Positives: I can tie my shoes

Negatives: I lack social skills, work skills, a future, I have massive debt, and no matter what I do I can't attaing my physical goals

bro

Guess I'm choosing to look at the negatives...

You should actually start journaling. Make yourself think of something positive that happened each day and write it down. Even if it sounds stupid. Your brain is lazy and gets used to patterns of thoughts. You just have to change it

my conversations skills SUCK

But you try.

You keep trying

You improve.

Nothing is improving

Nothing has improved for years.

Drop out of college

go to trade school

learn a trade

get to work.

Pay off the debt.

Or finish college

and then go to trade school.

whichever is most financially beneficial.

I really would much rather be hit by a truck than do any of that

Having finance and then getting into a trade could be very beneficial for the company you're with. Can move upwards into managerial departments

Okay. You're depressed, and you have suicidal ideation. This is above my level of advice. Coming from a past of suicide and depression, you need professional help. Not kidding.

Talk to your parents about this.

BASED is right.

Yes, I know I'm depressed

Have been for years.

Seek professional help.

No

That's why you're not improving -- then you're stuck in an endless loop man.

Nothing wrong with getting help

We can't do everything ourselves.

We need help sometimes.

I have nothing to gain and everything to lose by "getting help"

DUDE

I went through YEARS of therapy.

It helped me.

So did I as a child

If anything it made me the way I am.

If anything it made me socially awkward

Child therapy is petty compared to adult.

Dude I went to child therapy as well.

If anything it made me feel like there was something fucking wrong with me.

My therapist played board games with me because I was expressing antisocial behavior.

I got out of it.

I was in like, 2nd or 4th grade. can't remember

Seek help.

It helped me.

Yeah, I got the board game treatment too.

Made me feel worse

Made me feel like there was something wrong with me.

How? I didn't even know why I was there.

I just went with the flow.

I knew my classmates weren't doing this too.

I was aware that what I was doing wasn't normal

I connected the dots after a few years.

I hear sometimes you just have to try different therapists. I'm sure your school has programs for counselling

I'm not seeing a therapist so that I can be put on a list and have my rights taken from me

I guess maybe I'm a low IQ individual, but who cares what other people think?

There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG with a child seeing a therapist.

Be thankful you had loving parents.

There's nothing wrong with a 40 year old man seeing a therapist.

Everyone has problems.

I fail to see how talking to some retard with a degree from UC Berkeley in a soft science is supposed to help.

Not all therapists are from Berkeley.

It's hyperbole

The ones here in Tennessee actually want to help people afaik

The point I was making was understood.

Talking it out helps in general a lot of times. Could be to a house plant even

Not really.

Sometimes you just have to run through your problems out loud or put them on paper to see them differently

I don't have anyone. The only person I felt comfortable sharing shit like this to is gone.

Talk to your parents man.

I don't feel comfortable talking to them.

Be like skin.

No.

It's uncomfortable.

Then you are willfully putting yourself in a woeful situation.

It will be hard at first but things get easier

Otherwise, if you don't go and seek help to people who do care about you, you will regret it when they are gone.

As explained before, putting myself in uncomfortable situations has never paid off

They're your parents

They gave birth to you.

Allowed you to become *alive*

Yeah, and I loooove being alive don't I?

Seriously.

Seek professional help. That's all I've got.

If you feel like you have nothing left to lose, then really... Why not do the things you are too afraid to do?

Because if I won't gain anything from putting myself into uncomfortable situations, why should I?

Because why not? If you have nothing to lose, then you have everything to gain.

If the outcome is the same, why would anyone choose discomfort over comfort?

If I offered you $100 to sit in either a comfortable chair, or a chair covered in thumbtacks. Which chair would you sit in?

You don't know the outcome

But I do.

You think you do.

No matter my effort, no matter what I do, life will fuck me

So if I'm getting fucked either way, why should I make myself uncomfortable in the process?

You haven't even lived life enough to know that. You're taking the path of least resistance.

Do you know what insanity is?

No risk no reward

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result.

Can you be honest with yourself and say you really are trying though?

I would be insane to continue to put effort into something I know won't work

Insanity is you taking the path of least resistance, sulking, and not moving anywhere when you wish you were.

That's all assumption based. You can't achieve anything without work.

I've already explained

I've "done the work" it didn't get me anywhere

Change your mindset. Journal, snap elastics when negative thoughts pop up... Actively acknowledged your thoughts and take steps to change them. Don't let thoughts float by in the back of your mind.

The alternative is to do no work and be depressed when you have nothing to show for it. One guarantees misery, the other still holds possibility

Since the outcome is the same either way, I prefer not to waste my effort and try and trick myself with false hope.

Idk what to tell you then. Think about the advice we gave you at least. You'd be surprised how fast things can change

Won't be expecting any changes

20+ years of this so far

That's really not long at all

Like i said, think about it

Nigger

bernie fags gonna bernie fag

"but hum irony"

what a fucking loser.

Stay mad blumpft lover @Niveron

I'd say abolish it completely and return to absolutism, but the royal family is cucked.

The royal family is illegitimate <:smugpepe:445634631950139403>

so then usurp the throne.

yes, this shit again.

<:TheodoreRooseveltLaugh:585130800870195200> <:TheodoreRooseveltLaugh:585130800870195200>

https://youtu.be/dPxv4Aff3IA

https://bbc.in/327tccN

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what the fuck has bartels done except post leftist memes

they're proving the point that left can't meme

and being a faggot in general.

"hurr durr bernie health plan good hurr durr"

move to britfagistan to experience socialised healthcare

oh yeah, those 6+month lines sure are great.

even better with parasites

be it sandfags or shitkrainians.

My old man relies on socialized healthcare

VA

he is missing parts of himself as a result

fuck socialized medicine

the doctors are unbelievably incompetent. If you dont' like the standard of care you are receiving, tough shit, there's no way to complain and make it better

Wanna go somewhere else? Have fun paying for it

tell that to my old man's face

he'd ream your ass

well that's just the thing

nothing is what he often gets

"Bone infection? It's fine"

six months later

"we may have to amputate"

New doctor: "Why in the actual hell didn't they put you on antibiotics IMMEDIATELY?"
Us: DAMN GOOD QUESTION

So systems like the VA is the answer? No. Fixing health insurance, drug companies, and the bureaucracy that raises prices on everything is the answer

with socialised healthcare you pretty much have to threaten the doctors with jail, firing squad and satan to get properly treated.

Most private medical doctors here will put you on a payment plan.

With VA patients, their insurance jerks them around and tries its hardest to not pay for anything.

That’s what my wife deals with for work. If someone has VA insurance and insurance from a job outside the military, the insurance companies go back and forth saying the other guy had to pay.

Same for VA and Medicare.

No socialized medicine please

If America can't get it right for service members and vets they won't get it right for everyone

I have personally almost died because of it and a childhood friend did die because of it

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=V1XNllFiEpo

Socialized medicine is for retards.

I thought oz was a liberal but he is on our side when it comes to medicine

Oh wow

Highly recommend y'all save that video for this specific sort of debate

I hate a lot of his show but that explanation is on point

I’ll watch it later. Added to my list.