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2017-05-23 08:25:10 UTC

Class consciousness is held strongest in the most revolutionary. There can only be one kind of class consciousness because it is objective reality. It is realised in the joining of theory and practice, i.e. when you have correct ideas and action, class consciousness increases, and since revolution is inevitable, the most successful revolutionaries also have the clearest sense of class consciousness (in a union of theory and practice). The leaders are self-evident. This is why Lenin implemented Vanguardism. This is why Stalin took power, not Trotsky, because his theory and practice was better.

2017-05-23 08:26:43 UTC

It is not that leaders are hard to find, or struggle to prove themselves. It is false consciousness that does not follow them.

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And if they are wrong, they will not succeed.

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So naturally the leaders best at what they do would become apparent and subsequently gain power?

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Atleast under the right conditions

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Class consciousness is not given, it has to be worked for. So when the majority cannot recognise authority, what do you do then? The smart thing to do is support the leader.

2017-05-23 08:36:14 UTC

Of course, all individuals are at different levels of development. It is true some are better at following orders. Others, have great ideas but have no sense how to implement them. I am sure there are great individuals out there, but no one will listen or act. Then the important thing is to build class consciousness in others, until you get a critical mass to reach the next level of development. I sense most of those with ambitions for revolution are an the early stage. Revolution is coming, but it is not here yet.

2017-05-23 08:38:13 UTC

At the theory state, it is easy to get distracted about 'what we will do when', but getting there. see what it is like and actually deciding what to do is different. The dialectical process guides it, not out dogmatic assumptions about democracy or consensus. Who are we to say, who have not walked in the shoes to show how it is done?

2017-05-23 08:40:23 UTC

One more thing, bringing people together under one banner is the highest priority because it builds class consciousness. Those who fracture and split away are certainly lost. There is only one objective reality.

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The battering ram has many goes to bring the gates down.

2017-05-23 08:42:33 UTC

How arrogant do you have to be, to go against all evidences that a process is working, because you know better or have a new idea?

Cheers, comrades. The backlog made for a foot or two of good reading.

I'm writing an article on Malthusianism; that is, a cute phrase for overpopultion theory and the various racist and classist ideologies that have underpinned it historically, Thomas Malthus being the biggest case in point(and sworn enemy of his contemporary Marx). The overpopulation meme seems to be every random jerk's way of neatly wrapping up every social or political discussion in a nice little misanthropic package that hand-waves all structural problems and attributes everything to there just being "too many people, man". I'm trying to show concisely and in a readable way how wrong the assumption is that overpopulation is just "reality" and arguments based around it are purely scientific and transcend ideology; that in fact it's a part of one of the most pernicious ideologies ever spawned. Anyone have any good thoughts, rebuttals?

2017-05-24 00:49:37 UTC

@Joe Hill In Heaven Sippin' Shine
Overpopulation is an interesting topic for all sides of politics because it is not a direct consequence of capitalism or profit. To say that it cannot or will never pose a problem is incorrect. However, there is a specific way the argument is framed by the ruling ideology. Many economists (thinking Fukuyama here) believe that free market capitalism is the final or most advanced stage of human society. They are not introspective of this point, as they seem to never fully criticise the pursuit of profit in terms of its negative effects on society, because 'it's just better than any alternative...it doesn't matter if it has negative aspects...it's not perfect but it's the best we have' etc etc. The first stage of framing a rebuttal is to questions this assumption and start focusing on these negative effects, as well as challenging their 'whig history' and linear view that we have reached an evolutionary peak in human society.
So, what negative effects exactly? Well, look at any social justice issue and it will almost certainly follow as a result the pursuit of profit at the expense of everything else. Environmental, education, health, infrastructure etc etc. "A rising tide lifts all boats." Wrong.
I would not so much focus on what capitalism actively does that hurts people (imperialism, alienation), but more just bring into questions it's assumption of superiority by focusing on the negative by-products.
Now we can get onto Malthusian economics and overpopulation: what is the significance of population on the capitalist system? Well, it is surrounded on labour and, more recently, consumption. Ask: why do economists even care about population? Answer: it effects profit. Do they really care how population effects the conditions of the population? Nope. Again, I emphasise the focus on the negatives.

2017-05-24 00:49:39 UTC

And so the conclusion: concerns about overpopulation are a side show to the ruling ideology. Why is it even bad to them? Altruistic concerns about the destabilising effects and threats to peace are nothing but lip service and marketing opportunities to open new markets. They are also setting up to shift the blame when the shit hits the fan, from the profit system to another bogeyman to keep their motives hidden. Their whole argument is theatre. They are not even in a position to care in the first instance because altruism and collective concerns are beyond them, "in the past and antiquated approach", they would say.

2017-05-24 01:06:28 UTC

Final point: societies with advanced capitalists systems have a declining population, the opposite of overpopulation. Do they seek to argue capitalism as a solution and saviour to more populous nations? What a sham. These advanced societies in the West and East Asian (Japan, South Korea etc.) are cannibalising their own population with the slogans, 'choose a career or a family, you cannot do both', or 'just consume and be a child forever, no one needs pesky responsibilities like children'. They do not want to have to 'pay for' and raise the next generation, that would hurt their profits! The response from governments to fill the gap in labour is immigration. Thus the Malthusian argument gets new vigour, as the ideologues pretend to have a solution for all nations. But indeed, without an objective measure, what is the definition of 'under population' or 'over population'. In this economic only frame, they are arbitrary categories according to the 'needs' of the ruling classes. The pursuit of capital has no solution to the population problem, even if it exists. Again, it is posturing and opportunism.

2017-05-24 01:33:56 UTC

In response, maybe the free market advocates will say: if absolutely necessary, when immigration is no longer feasible, large corporations will have incentive to provide a population stimulus and 'pay' for employees to create new workers (slaves) for them. But they will only do this if there is no other choice, and still, like immigration, it is a stop-gap measure. Capitalists can only be proactive about profits, everything else is reactionary and suffers as a result. You have to make the argument that private ownership and control of by the few is the 'best possible solution'. It clearly isn't, especially not in this case. And this is where the critique of Marxism comes in.

2017-05-27 02:26:38 UTC

Q: What does opportunism mean in the Marxist context?

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why are u spamming? Oh, you are a retarded.

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Just block him

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This is hilariously cringey.

2017-05-28 04:48:47 UTC

I think you'll find it is actually Autism.

2017-05-28 05:28:19 UTC

@Deleted User 'Q: What does opportunism mean in the Marxist context?' opportunism is basically any subtle distortion from the correct path. http://www.iccr.gr/en/news/Some-characteristics-of-opportunism-in-America/

2017-05-28 05:30:05 UTC

There is also revisionism. Revisionism is doing the same but openly.

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Revisionism <:BlobHyperThink:317088659331481600>

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Mmmmm. I imagine her having a beautiful black baby growing inside her right this moment

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The baby would obviously be aborted.

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Can't have her fans and family getting wise to what's up.

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Cant be a minority if they're all killed

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Wtf theres no stalin emojis?

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Stalin pointing at his head

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so whats up whith you guys?

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This lecture series has been good to watch. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tFW6EjxP2K8

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Marx’s objection to empiricism rests upon this: that its attention is directed exclusively to the source of knowledge, but not the form of that knowledge. For economic theory, Marx considered it vital to examine economic forms and why political economy ignored this matter. https://www.marxists.org/archive/pilling/works/capital/pilling2.htm

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We are safe here, comrades.

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Your non-arguments have no power here.

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@Deleted User !!! KURWA

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Learn to spam, dreg.

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bye lol

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dagg LOL

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Hath I been summoned?

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@Deleted User No one want ur faggot anime ass

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Yall retarded, that dude is trolling @'ing everyone and you cant figure that out

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Who r u

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@⚜Syηcℂнåos⚜ please don't post pictures like that

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@Alexander The Magnificent don't be a bitch boy people can do what ever they want

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So, yes or no

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Or am I being censored

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i say no this guy is a fucking bitch boy @⚜Syηcℂнåos⚜

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@undeadvadar apsolute fucking cuck

it's blu, not blue


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i know

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with what?

still says blue


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ok good

im happy

please buy me Europa Universalis 4

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I will merc pocket medic you for 24 hours worth of gameplay

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i am not buying any one any thing

anyone* anything*

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whatever still not going to

50 hours?

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i am not going to

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their is nothing you can do about it


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not happening

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why do i need a medic to pocket my ass if i think any one with a pocket is an asshole


ill merc any class you need

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i don't need you

1v1 me


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we going to play mge

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wait no mge is fucking retared

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thats were all the scout mains are

i wont play scout

if you dont want me to

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i hate scout and anyone who plays him

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scout is any asshole and scout mains are more of any asshole

im guessing youre a sniper main lmao





so youre one of those





pocket me, asshole

pocket dispenser me

i never tried it

because thats a horrible fucking idea


dispenser down, push upwards

i main medic

im cooler than you

i main medic

2017-06-15 22:19:01 UTC

>get vanilla eu4
>games shit without $300 dlc
get fuckin jew'd

@Cotton Pirate it

No one is stopping you

Everything pirates Paradox DLCs

PIrating isnt illegal in slovenia

2017-06-15 22:20:11 UTC

wait is that even possible like getting the vanilla and pirating the dlc

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does that work with steam


it is dumbass

everyone does it

@undeadvadar yes, everyone does it

if you go on halfchan and go on /vg/ and on a /gcg/ thread everyone will tell you to just pirate the dlc

either that or theyll tell you youre a retard for not pirating


oh ok


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