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I have some scatter charts with correlation between poverty, life expectancy, inequality, and crime on them

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^^ since you guys are talking about links and studying and all

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Venezuela isn't socialist

Venezuela nationalized the oil industry, that's about it

And it worked quite well until 2014

When the oil market crashed

the CAPITALIST oil MARKET

oooh scary

Point is Venezuela isn't doing bad because of socialism they're doing bad because of the instability of global capitalism

And to debunk your statement that socialism only works when forced, the CNT FAI in Catalonia were borderline anarchist and were still able to implement socialism, without killing or oppressing or forcing people, and they did so even better than the countries that did force socialism.

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And @Shalton#3556 the soviets were about as traitorous as they get, they turned a corrupt oligopoly into a corrupt monopoly with the name "republic" slapped on it

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I mean come on, even Fox News admitted that Venezuela's economy was still dominated by capitalist markets.

And I mean, even if you try to argue that the less than 30% of the market that was nationalized made it socialist, I have an essay to pull up that explains why nationalization is not socialistic in the least bit

Written in the 1930s by an anti soviet socialist

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/emma-goldman-there-is-no-communism-in-russia

Here ya go

It did just fine until the oil market crashed

And 70% of the economy is privately owned

The government relied on revenue from the nationalized oil industry to fund itself

It worked amazingly until of course the oil market crashed

The CAPITALIST oil MARKET

they were being solved quite quickly

The government was drowning in money before 2014

And then oil prices dropped by 70 some percent

And oil of course was a massive part of venezuelas economy and the largest source of government income

I dare you to find an article on Venezuela being in crisis before 2013/14

If you find one, read the essay I sent above, if not, my point has been proven

They're not socialist tho

70% of their economy is privately owned

Fox fucking News

Your lord and savior

:/

Take the damn source

You don't wanna know how many times I've gotten into debates where the whole thing boils down to whose sources are better

Trust me I prefer raw data but so many conservatives worship Fox News that I was elated when I found their article on how much of the Venezuelan economy was privately owned

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/07/18/socialism-private-sector-dominates-venezuelan-economy-despite-chavez-crusade.html

"Yet creating a socialist economy is one of Chavez's most elusive goals — a stark example of the disconnect between the president's rhetoric and the reality on the ground. In fact, the private sector still controls two-thirds of Venezuela's economy — the same as when Chavez was elected in 1998"

Look up their nationalizations since then

It's hardly anything

The largest "socialist" policies were implemented immediately before this article was written

It's pretty close honestly

The government is insanely corrupt which doesn't help things but that's about it

Food industry is the only one after 2010, and according to this it was only a promise

(The pictures are in the wrong order, bottom one should be on top)

And again if you do some research the vast majority of people agree that oil market fluctuations and not socialism are responsible for Venezuelas crisis

I mean, socialism sure didn't make it any better, the fact that all of chavez' social programs relied on oil for funding amplified the effects of the crash

But there's hardly anything to suggest that Venezuela would be peachy if it Chavez weren't in the picture

*the government has a lot to blame

The fact that they're called socialist is irrelevant

Well first of all I can list a million reasons why they aren't socialists

And just because they call themselves socialist doesn't make them socialist

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/emma-goldman-there-is-no-communism-in-russia

Marxism Leninism isn't socialism

There ya go

By name

Exclusively by name

By practice they're nothing but corrupt oligarchs

Socialism is democratic, socialism is communal, socialism is not a dictatorial government doing whatever they want with the economy

Well yeah because every socialist government based itself on Russia's model

With one exception that I know of which is revolutionary Catalonia

But that was overrun by fascists in the Spanish civil war so

I, along with anyone who's not some sort of Stalin apologist, would probably support a purely democratic government and an economy that is truly owned and operated by the workers

Well one was is Syndicalism, it's like a republic flipped upside down

Representatives don't represent, they take orders

Way is*