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2017-05-18 22:18:14 UTC

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2017-05-19 00:43:27 UTC

My laptop doesn't support bluetooth and the onboard mic is trash. I will have to order a new analog mic.

2017-05-19 17:34:31 UTC

That sounds like some poorfag problems.

2017-05-20 01:20:54 UTC

what is hoxhaism

2017-05-20 01:21:10 UTC

the greatest ideology ever created praise hoxha

2017-05-20 01:21:17 UTC

dindu nuffin wrong

2017-05-20 01:21:27 UTC

is it tankie lol

2017-05-20 01:21:35 UTC

more stalin than stalin

2017-05-20 01:21:35 UTC

it's extremely tankie

2017-05-20 01:21:36 UTC

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2017-05-20 01:21:42 UTC

Hoxhaism demarcates itself by a strict defense of the legacy of Joseph Stalin, the organisation of the Soviet Union under Stalin,[2] and fierce criticism of virtually all other communist groupings as "revisionist".

2017-05-20 01:21:45 UTC

yup

2017-05-20 01:22:06 UTC

nuttin wrong

2017-05-20 01:22:32 UTC

nice outfit

2017-05-20 01:23:25 UTC

i want his hat

2017-05-20 01:23:35 UTC

i need a good communist visor

2017-05-20 01:23:41 UTC

lol

2017-05-20 01:28:40 UTC

whoever filmed this is a giant nerd

2017-05-20 01:31:38 UTC

Would like it to be a place for theory. <#308995540782284817> and <#308950154222895104> please.

2017-05-20 09:35:51 UTC

Hoxhaism is the greatest type of communist thought fam @Blebleh

2017-05-20 10:27:40 UTC

@Ica_Sillen#3653 Why is Hoxha a strain exactly?

2017-05-20 10:53:58 UTC

I meant as in a type of communist thought

2017-05-20 11:06:47 UTC

I don't know much about it. Can you elaborate why it is a strain on communist thought?

2017-05-20 11:09:42 UTC

I thought strain meant like a branch on a tree

2017-05-20 11:10:06 UTC

Ohhhh

2017-05-20 11:10:51 UTC

Just poor wording

2017-05-20 11:18:12 UTC

Last week, I was invited to a hoxhaist-aligned party, but tbh, I don't know much about it

2017-05-20 11:18:28 UTC

Why Hoxhaism instead of just Marxism-leninism?

2017-05-20 11:22:28 UTC

But, Stalinism doesn't even exist, so what does that mean?

2017-05-20 11:24:03 UTC

It's basically socialism in one country

2017-05-20 11:24:20 UTC

So, marxism-leninism?

2017-05-20 11:24:48 UTC

Yeah, I can't find any mayor differences

2017-05-20 11:26:06 UTC

Oh, ok

2017-05-20 11:27:36 UTC

But it seems to mix maoism in some ways, but besides of that I can't see any mayor difference

2017-05-20 13:10:21 UTC

It's funny how western media potrays the DDR as some poverty-ridden hell hole and west germany as some paradise in comparison when it was almost as rich as west germany

2017-05-20 13:53:12 UTC

Hoxhaism, isn't a thing as it never caused a real ideological spilt from Marxism-Leninism

2017-05-20 14:24:39 UTC

^

2017-05-20 16:44:30 UTC

@Chairman Jack It has points against maoism while picking some definitions and Albania was openly state atheist, denounces Cuban and Chinese revisionism

2017-05-20 16:47:17 UTC

The trend considers third-worldism revisionist

2017-05-20 16:55:36 UTC

Okay and it didn't break from ML thinking

2017-05-20 16:55:51 UTC

Pointing out Revisionism isn't a break from basic ML thinking

2017-05-20 17:23:46 UTC

I agree.

2017-05-20 17:24:07 UTC

Hoxhaism I don't think should be considered its own separate ideology, then again I am of the belief that Marxism-Leninism is the highest stage.

2017-05-20 17:31:37 UTC

Well MLM can be considered an addition to ML thought as it does offer some real rifts from original thought but Hoxhaism doesn't really do the same

2017-05-20 17:32:08 UTC

A real difference and rift needs occur between ideologies for them to be considered different

2017-05-20 17:51:55 UTC

I disagree, I don't agree with Mao's law of contradictions nor do I believe many of Maoist tenants are universally-applicable.

2017-05-20 17:52:16 UTC

I mean, sure Maoists think so, but I don't hold that opinion myself.

2017-05-20 18:06:53 UTC

Well yes Maoism isn't universally-applicable especially with his idea of New Democracy which is used to bring states from Feudalism to a somewhat Capitalist state run by the Proletariat with the Peasants along side the petty and national bourgeois. That is completely unnecessary in a nation that has already Capitalistic and thusly you can end the Capitalist stage through State Capitalism with the Party apparatus taking over the economy and then afterwards having the transition to socialism. And the other difference is Mao didn't believe that the Proletariat needed to be the head of the Proletariat Revolution if there weren't many Proletariats, while Hoxha believed that the Proletariat should always be those at the head of a Proletariat Revolution and if a state doesn't have many Proletariats then a strong Vanguard based around them needed to be made.

2017-05-20 18:08:40 UTC

Personally through my firm belief in Historical Materialism I find what Hoxha talked about more Dialectical as Capitalism is necessary to remove tribalism and feudal concepts but at the same time the combination of Cultural Revolution and New Democracy can do the exact same thing

2017-05-20 18:12:20 UTC

Do you know how Hoxha achieved 0% taxes?

2017-05-20 18:14:15 UTC

Most Socialist States have zero direct taxes but there are still some taxes. And they can mainly do that because they sell goods to foreign markets they can use that money and through tariffs

2017-05-20 18:15:22 UTC

oh ok

2017-05-20 18:16:25 UTC

so for example in world socialism when all the economy is planned with cybernetics and there isn't any surplus from the production, taxes would exist?

2017-05-20 18:41:05 UTC

Indeed

2017-05-20 18:41:30 UTC

Taxes would no longer be necessary to run a governor

2017-05-20 19:18:14 UTC

I believe taxes under stain were fairly low as well

2017-05-20 19:18:19 UTC

because there was really no need for it

2017-05-20 19:18:54 UTC

Because surplus value went towards programs that, under capitalism, require a large amount of taxation

2017-05-20 23:33:27 UTC

Although I haven't read much about Hoxha, for what I have seen so far, it seems more aligned with Marxism than Maoism.

2017-05-20 23:34:49 UTC

Marx was actually pretty clear in the historical progression through Dialectical Materialism and how capitalism was not only unavoidable, but also had a sort of "historical mission" in overthrowing Feudalism, and Mao seems to ignore or flee from that

2017-05-21 00:02:24 UTC

Maoism is a part of Marxism-Leninism. I thought the same way but Mao introduced the idea of New Democracy in which a Capitalist stage would occur guided by the Proletariat with help from the Peasantry, Petty and National Bourgeoisie. With Cultural Revolution it does everything to void Feudal Culture and Hierarchy move into Capitalism and after that make it easy for moment into Socialism.

2017-05-21 00:03:02 UTC

Hoxha applies is the industrialized world while Maoism applies in the pre industrialized places of the world

2017-05-21 00:08:24 UTC

Hmm, makes sense. Does that mean the China still could return to socialism? And this is the phase of capitalism? How do maoists see this?

2017-05-21 00:09:04 UTC

No it can't but revisionist PSL thinks so.

2017-05-21 00:09:16 UTC

kek

2017-05-21 00:09:38 UTC

I mean, it can but there would have to be some kind of cultural revolution or second socialist revolution to get rid of the bourgeoisie.

2017-05-21 00:10:48 UTC

This is something that I still need to read about, but I must admit it's really intriguing about Maoism.

2017-05-21 00:11:04 UTC

Mao did have the country turn into Socialism, New Democracy was very brief. Deng brought the Capitalism through pushing for special economic zones which were massively increased by Zimmin. Deng would describe what he did as a Capitalist stage with Two Stage Theory making it while Maoists would call it Revisionism. Maoists hate modern china and seek revolution.

2017-05-21 00:12:14 UTC

Yeah, I expected that, and seems to the correct position

2017-05-21 00:12:32 UTC

There are a lot of people within China, especially the youth sect of the official communist party, that are maoists and seek to return China to socialism.

2017-05-21 00:13:36 UTC

I also have heard that Xi Jinping has started a program of intensifying and re-applying classes of Marxism in universities, but his intentions probably aren't really good

2017-05-21 00:15:39 UTC

I am really looking forward to discover what Xi meant by "a return to Marxist roots" as he repeatedly said in speeches. I can almost feel more revisionism.

2017-05-21 00:16:44 UTC

Even if Xi wanted to do that, it would fruitless form the top-down because huge swaths of bourgeois class members entered the party for decades.

2017-05-21 00:17:26 UTC

I personally believe Deng did what was necessary to advance Industrialization and make the West dependent on China. I also see Xi Jinping's removal of all possible rivals (which are all of Zimmin's faction), his massive consolidation of power, and his father being one of Mao's closest allies to all be signs of a possible return to Maoist policies seeing that he would need China to be unified and need massive amounts of power to insure that none of the Capitalist Billionaires and Party Members loyal to them could try to stop this return into Maoism.

2017-05-21 00:18:25 UTC

Well, it would not be a return into Maoism. China was never Maoist in the theoretical sense. Maoism was not developed until the 1980s, and in Peru.

2017-05-21 00:18:38 UTC

That's MLM

2017-05-21 00:18:39 UTC

By Maoist China most people mean China under Mao.

2017-05-21 00:19:12 UTC

But that's what most MLMs want anyway, a return to socialism and the implementation of Marxism-Leninism-Maoism while shaving off his right deviations.

2017-05-21 00:19:21 UTC

I could just be me being optimistic but I don't see any real reason for Xi to seize so much power and influence just to keep the status quo

2017-05-21 00:20:42 UTC

Well, who knows, maybe it turns out all the revisionism since Deng was all a plan? lol

2017-05-21 00:21:08 UTC

Could be

2017-05-21 00:21:13 UTC

For real, though, I am skeptical, but it would be amazing.

2017-05-21 00:21:17 UTC

I really doubt, personally, that Maoism would return to China under Xi. For one, the party was filled to the brim with multimillionaires and bourgeois elements, to the point where most of the party is under the control of bourgeois forces. Secondly, even if Xi consolidates his powers and has these good intentions, he would have to purge huge numbers of party members. It just wouldn't be possible for him to do this on his own, without some kind of cultural revolution, and it would most likely devastate the party in the short-term.

2017-05-21 00:21:40 UTC

He's already purging people

2017-05-21 00:21:48 UTC

He would have to purge more than half the party.

2017-05-21 00:22:41 UTC

And part of Maoism is cultural revolution which with his current powers he could do. And purging lots of the Party could be done if he gained enough influence and removed heads of any opposition as he is doing

2017-05-21 00:22:46 UTC

The PSL is of the opinion that the Chinese Communist Party can still reverse course, so you're not alone in believing this about Xi. But personally I tend to be extremely skeptical, and it seems idealistic (not in the philosophical meaning) to me.

2017-05-21 00:25:04 UTC

Well you should be skeptical as should everyone but I honestly don't see why he would take risks, remove rivals and possible opposition who are all part of the faction that made China extremely Capitalistic, and gather so much power into himself without planning on doing something huge such as the return of Maoism

2017-05-21 00:26:17 UTC

Well, if those are his intentions, I certainly hope he is successful.

2017-05-22 06:40:29 UTC

Question: what is the communist relationship with music and how should it be formed?

"Every artist, everyone who considers himself an artist, has the right to create freely according to his ideal, independently of everything. However, we are Communists and we must not stand with folded hands and let chaos develop as it pleases. We must systemically guide this process and form its result." - Lenin

2017-05-22 06:42:37 UTC

@Deleted User why do you ask questions on which you know the answers?

2017-05-22 06:43:38 UTC

@Corset Do I?

2017-05-22 06:43:49 UTC
2017-05-22 06:44:04 UTC

I was listening to classical and thinking: is this bourgeois?

2017-05-22 06:44:59 UTC

Every matter is to be transformed but some will stay in history some will not.

2017-05-22 06:45:05 UTC

Classics did stay

2017-05-22 06:45:08 UTC

for a reason

2017-05-22 06:45:37 UTC

What reason?

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