God not you

like natural phenemmenon

Love does not allow evil.

Love is doing what is best for someone

Actually it does

Well no

It's wanting the best for someone

it would be a non factor

Love encompasses a great many things

Letting someone chose evil is not best in terms of love.

But most of all, it is an unconditional affection towards another, irresepctive of their qualities

God loves us, not because we are good

We are born into sin

Chopin define what is evil?

He can't define evil

Evil is the rejection of god

Why would that be

Good and Evil cannot exist without God.

The absence of his prescene

God is good, wholly good

Then wouldn't god not everywhere

and would it be that god doesn't love he controlls

God is everywhere, but his essence isn't in everything. Christianity doesn't ascribe to a panentheistic view of reality

Like how a mad man likes to see a woman's mind breaking into stockholm

What is more loving? Pure love, or love and evil together? Choice allows evil. Choice is evil not loving.

What do you mean by those terms

Free will lets man chose evil. Without free will there would be no evil. That is more loving.

I think this is quite a complex topic, that many tomes have been written poring over this subject

Without free will there can be no good either

by both philoophers and theologians

https://discord.gg/3B5Qe

Good? I thought we were talking about love.

God is a god of love and goodness

So as a direct result of these qualities of himself, every action thereof is never in contradiction to his attributes

Why is free will good for a loving God to give when it can only lead to evil?

he cannot act in a way that contradicts his own nature

Are you sure it will only lead to evil

How can you be so sure about something like that

That is the way it turned out.

Either you are good like God or you choose to move away.

This has been an interesting convo mate, but I apologise I have to go

Good night

Okay thanks.

I'm taking the gf to see wonder woman

should be good

Goodnight

@Mros Why can there be no good without freewill?

Because by doing good you must be consciously rejecting evil. Without the ability to do evil you cannot be good. You would merely be acting.

Do you really have the ability to do evil if you never commit evil sometimes?

Can God create evil?

If not he is not all powerful.

It is outside of his nature to do it. He would not do evil because he is all good.

Is God also conscious of evil?

Yes, and in he works around man's evil in order to do good.

So God would never directly command man to do evil

Are you going to bring up Abraham and Isaac?

I was going to bring up Job

Ah, Job.

Killing his family members in order to prove his loyalty to him

It was actually Satan who did that

How would a loving God subject his child to such suffering

If God is all-powerful, and also loving, how can he allow evil to exist

Why not crush it instantly

You've asked this question numerous times and it's been answered numerous times.

There's no need to go around in circles with it.

I've asked it twice and you've avoided the first time

I misunderstood this idea of free will. Thanks for clarifying.

hi chopin

If God crushed evil he would be absolving man of the responsibility for his own actions. Which would be unjust.

Hi

Free will defined as holding consciousness and potentiality of evil but not acting on it, is interesting.

Hmm, this argument isn't convincing in the slightest

@Mros is this idea also Catholic doctrine?

*"It was actually Satan who did that"* So it wasn't entirely man's responsibility

Not sure, I'm still new to it

@Deleted User If I understand it correctly, in theory, man has free will to reject evil created by satan. I am assuming they also need God's help of goodness to do it because of original sin.

Nothing stopping you from reading into theology.

Aquinas is good

I am still no closer to the existence of God. The cosmological argument is not very good.

Ok that's fine.

But why not even look to see if there's anything there?

Unless you've already read theology in which case, disregard what I said.

I acknowledge the internal consistency now though.

Well, i just had trouble make the rational leap into faith. Seems reckless.

That's a very reasonable belief

Soren Kierkegaard wrote about the relationship between faith and reason in Fear and Trembling.

I can't say too much about it, because I haven't read it yet. But It's coming this saturday.

I think I can look into Thomas and Soren again. It has been several years. I am very busy with materials unfortuately.

Don't worry about it. It's worth looking into if you get the chance.

Christianity has lasted this long, there's gotta be something to it, huh?

No.

What I'm trying to say is that it's worth looking into.

Longevity is not always proof of validity

Not saying that it's proof of truth, but it shouldn't be overlooked or dismissed without at least a little study.

Oh I see, yes, it is relevant to learn about.

Thanks for the chat.

No problem. Any time.

I hope existentialism does not hurt you too much.

One last thing then I'll let you on your way

Ok