Sorry, are you muslim mate?

or Christian?

ok

What type

what theological camp

ok

Alright, so what do you have to say about the sovereingty of god

is evil by god's design or do you ascribe to natural evil

and human choice etc

ok

Aha

I knew you were going there mate

I was just about to jump in Rodrigo

2 months

wow

What

I spent 3 years

Unless god was able to foresee that, and incorpate the free choice of the devil into his sovereign plan

Would god be loving if he created robots with no free will

but that doesn't mean he wouldn't be able to use evil and turn it into good

Evil is that which does not elevate god as he should be

Thus, humanity would have turned to evil by turning away in shame and disobediance to god

Would a loving god creating a reality where choice is not possible

Really?

How loving to have no choice at all

And god has chosen in his divine forbearance to use the ill choice of the devil for good

and triump over him through the person of Christ

The literal incarnation of god in human form to conquer satan and sin forever

ask yourself

If I gave you no choice on whether or not to enter into a marriage

Would that be loving

A state of being often is preceded by a choice leading up to that point

In the cases where it isn't, it simply is

like natural phenemmenon

Love encompasses a great many things

But most of all, it is an unconditional affection towards another, irresepctive of their qualities

God loves us, not because we are good

We are born into sin

Evil is the rejection of god

The absence of his prescene

God is good, wholly good

God is everywhere, but his essence isn't in everything. Christianity doesn't ascribe to a panentheistic view of reality

What do you mean by those terms

I think this is quite a complex topic, that many tomes have been written poring over this subject

by both philoophers and theologians

God is a god of love and goodness

So as a direct result of these qualities of himself, every action thereof is never in contradiction to his attributes

he cannot act in a way that contradicts his own nature

Are you sure it will only lead to evil

How can you be so sure about something like that

This has been an interesting convo mate, but I apologise I have to go

I'm taking the gf to see wonder woman

should be good

Christianity as a matter of principle as well is, I think, opposed to ideaologies that proclaim state atheism

And advocate mass killings

Having said that, I don't think the current pope is too concerned with the socialist public policies

In fact, I think he has a heart for the poor and disadvantaged

similiar to concerns for access to healthcare and other state services under democratic socialism models

Catholic then

ah

Yes, of course

I thought that was familiar from history of byzantium podcast

cool man

That is a view point

That is cool and whatnot

But in my books

If you love Jesus and believe in the gospel

And ascribe to the Nicene creed

The one that was decided in Nicene aha

The changes weren't really too major mate

But then again I come from a reformed background

hmm yeah

What is your point

You argue that the orthodox church as you see it, is the one true church due to apostolic succession

You know I think the schism between east and west was more to do the internal politics within the fading roman empire

Than anything else

Yeah

But at the end of the day

If someone has accept the gospel mate

They love Jesus

And have received the holy spirit

They are still christian man

ok, but as a part of loving Jesus, they follow and obey his commands

And have received the gospel of savlation

To love god and to love others

That is what the entirety of the commands were accordin to christ

Ok, I apologise

I'm reformed man

I'm talking about the greatest commandment man

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Commandment

Yes

Obviously man, for brevity I am summarising heavily here

Sorry

But how

Which one

I'm Reformed

so yeah

I think that man is born into sin

Man is unable to save himself

Jesus incarnated into human history in accordance with God the Father's plan from before time