if god was "all powerful" and ompnipetent then why would he allow the serpent to decieve him

Sorry, are you muslim mate?

Read any theology really

Fortunately not.

or Christian?

Christian

ok

So does God intervene or not?

What type

Catholic

what theological camp

ok

Alright, so what do you have to say about the sovereingty of god

is evil by god's design or do you ascribe to natural evil

and human choice etc

Mros I don't need to I've lived with the shit crammed down me until I was about 13 I'm 16 now

Man has the free will to follow God or not. Evil came about becuase man chose not to follow God.

ok

so That can tell you I know pretty well about the damn book

16 isn't an accomplishment

Where did evil come if not created by God?

I didn't say it is

Devil rebelled against God

Man chose not to follow God

The Devil is a creative god also?

Yes

I said I HAD 13 YEARS OF READING THE BIBLE REVIEWING THE BIBLE. EVERY. FUCKING. SUNDAY.

Big whoop

your point is?

Do you believe in cause and effect?

People spend lifetimes studying the book and they don't understand everything.

I DON'T NEED TO READ MORE THEOLOGY AND I DON'T WANT TO

May I jump in?

Well then be content with your ignorance

Sure, Rodrigo

Mros, would you say God is all-powerful?

Yes

If God is all-powerful, and also loving, how can he allow such an evil to exist?

Aha

I knew you were going there mate

I was just about to jump in Rodrigo

Ignorance, Mros. I came to my own descision AFTER 2 months of looking at both sides

Wow, 2 months

2 months

so much time

wow

What

It must have been agonizing

I spent 3 years

No,

St. Augustine spent 17 years before he converted.

I was saying I am not ignorant

If God is all knowing, he knew that the Devil would create evil. If God created the Devil, he also created evil. Unless he did not know it would happen.

Unless god was able to foresee that, and incorpate the free choice of the devil into his sovereign plan

Augustine when was he born Mros?

Would god be loving if he created robots with no free will

but that doesn't mean he wouldn't be able to use evil and turn it into good

Exactly

If man did not have free will it would be impossible for him to be good

Mro when was augustine born?

So evil is the same as good?

354

And what century would that be?

It's the 4th century

Did God know that the devil would create evil?

Yes.

Evil is that which does not elevate god as he should be

God made the being which made evil.

Thus, humanity would have turned to evil by turning away in shame and disobediance to god

Why would a loving God make a being which creates evil?

Would a loving god creating a reality where choice is not possible

Mros you realize they didn't have th evidence that contradicts the words in the bible

Yes.

>Implying the Bible contradicts

Really?

How loving to have no choice at all

Without free will man cannot be good

Love has nothing to do with choice.

And god has chosen in his divine forbearance to use the ill choice of the devil for good

A loving God will give man the choice to love him.

and triump over him through the person of Christ

Or to reject him

The literal incarnation of god in human form to conquer satan and sin forever

Why does love require choice?

ask yourself

If I gave you no choice on whether or not to enter into a marriage

If you are unable to reject something can you really say that you love it?

Would that be loving

Yes. I love my mother. No less because I dud not choose it.

Also your looking at this wrong

*you're

Chopin you could still choose to hate your mother.

Love is a state of being. It does not need choice to arrive at.

Assuming choice is a real thing and not just a sensation.

What if the person you're marrying was the one who forced it would it be love in their eyes?

A state of being often is preceded by a choice leading up to that point

Except you're not forced to love God. The proof? The fact that you can reject him.

Often but not necessary.

Mros

In the cases where it isn't, it simply is