Message from @Deleted User

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2017-06-07 07:47:18 UTC  

Because by doing good you must be consciously rejecting evil. Without the ability to do evil you cannot be good. You would merely be acting.

2017-06-07 07:48:31 UTC  

Do you really have the ability to do evil if you never commit evil sometimes?

2017-06-07 07:49:33 UTC  

Can God create evil?

2017-06-07 07:50:10 UTC  

If not he is not all powerful.

2017-06-07 07:50:26 UTC  

It is outside of his nature to do it. He would not do evil because he is all good.

2017-06-07 07:51:45 UTC  

Is God also conscious of evil?

2017-06-07 07:52:23 UTC  

Yes, and in he works around man's evil in order to do good.

2017-06-07 07:52:59 UTC  

So God would never directly command man to do evil

2017-06-07 07:53:27 UTC  

Are you going to bring up Abraham and Isaac?

2017-06-07 07:53:41 UTC  

I was going to bring up Job

2017-06-07 07:53:49 UTC  

Ah, Job.

2017-06-07 07:53:51 UTC  

Killing his family members in order to prove his loyalty to him

2017-06-07 07:54:01 UTC  

It was actually Satan who did that

2017-06-07 07:54:09 UTC  

How would a loving God subject his child to such suffering

2017-06-07 07:54:35 UTC  

If God is all-powerful, and also loving, how can he allow evil to exist

2017-06-07 07:54:42 UTC  

Why not crush it instantly

2017-06-07 07:54:53 UTC  

You've asked this question numerous times and it's been answered numerous times.

2017-06-07 07:55:00 UTC  

There's no need to go around in circles with it.

2017-06-07 07:55:03 UTC  

I've asked it twice and you've avoided the first time

2017-06-07 07:55:22 UTC  

I misunderstood this idea of free will. Thanks for clarifying.

2017-06-07 07:55:31 UTC  

hi chopin

2017-06-07 07:55:38 UTC  

If God crushed evil he would be absolving man of the responsibility for his own actions. Which would be unjust.

2017-06-07 07:55:41 UTC  

Hi

2017-06-07 07:58:40 UTC  

Free will defined as holding consciousness and potentiality of evil but not acting on it, is interesting.

2017-06-07 08:00:35 UTC  

Hmm, this argument isn't convincing in the slightest

2017-06-07 08:00:41 UTC  

@Mros is this idea also Catholic doctrine?

2017-06-07 08:00:42 UTC  

*"It was actually Satan who did that"* So it wasn't entirely man's responsibility

2017-06-07 08:01:02 UTC  

Not sure, I'm still new to it

2017-06-07 08:03:19 UTC  

@Deleted User If I understand it correctly, in theory, man has free will to reject evil created by satan. I am assuming they also need God's help of goodness to do it because of original sin.

2017-06-07 08:03:52 UTC  

Nothing stopping you from reading into theology.

2017-06-07 08:03:57 UTC  

Aquinas is good

2017-06-07 08:05:12 UTC  

I am still no closer to the existence of God. The cosmological argument is not very good.

2017-06-07 08:05:23 UTC  

Ok that's fine.

2017-06-07 08:05:38 UTC  

But why not even look to see if there's anything there?

2017-06-07 08:05:52 UTC  

Unless you've already read theology in which case, disregard what I said.

2017-06-07 08:06:01 UTC  

I acknowledge the internal consistency now though.

2017-06-07 08:06:34 UTC  

Well, i just had trouble make the rational leap into faith. Seems reckless.

2017-06-07 08:06:45 UTC  

That's a very reasonable belief

2017-06-07 08:07:07 UTC  

Soren Kierkegaard wrote about the relationship between faith and reason in Fear and Trembling.

2017-06-07 08:07:34 UTC  

I can't say too much about it, because I haven't read it yet. But It's coming this saturday.

2017-06-07 08:08:53 UTC  

I think I can look into Thomas and Soren again. It has been several years. I am very busy with materials unfortuately.