#gear_and_attire (Discord ID: 321380582112231425) in Charlottesville 2.0, page 5
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Automatic literally in the name
For padding on the backside, there is that spray foam stuff that comes in a can. I think it's called Kwik Foam. It expands pretty good once its sprayed on. Anyone tried that?
That stuff is to hard
You would be better off gluing fome to the back then putting some fabric over it
Or in the mid evil times they used thick lether
Helmet liner pads??
There should be a coordinated shield beating chant that we do to intimidate the enemy
Buy a roll of camp mat at Wall mart for $8
Cut it out and use spray adhesive or dap contact cement
I decided against it, but for offensive use of a shield it would be hard to beat one of these on each arm! #overkill
I like it! Like a buckler
THIS just premiered at SHOT show 2017, and will definitely be the ticket for Cville 3.0.
@PureDureSure only if you what to get it grabbed and your ass whooped do to the hood controlling you by the shield
That thing is mall ninja junk
If you think that thing is for hand-to-hand, you're sorely mistaken. You mount the rifle for a reason: the standoff distance.
If your watch the promo videos they are trying to promote it as being used for CQB
Mobility is life that thing is death
There is a resin why in Iraq we stoped using full interceptor baddy armor and switched to plate carriers
I'd rather go prone behind cover tbh
But I'll get behind you if you want to carry it ;)
Clearly it's going to be used for breaching/assaults, and in teams. There is a difference between CQB and H2H. If someone gets close enough to you to grab it/you before you've put them down with gunfire, you're already in more trouble than you should be, shield or not.
In situations where law enforcement will have a need for such tactics and equipment, they typically have a great deal more prep time and intel than soldiers are ever afforded. It's for set-piece assaults, not fluid warfare.
It it is consensus in the LEO and Protection industry that that product is junk and will get people killed
Just like the side armor and arm armor the US MC tried using in Iraq but it got more people hurt then it helped
I also have a room temperature IQ, and can't possibly reason through the scenarios mentioned given the available information, before you ask.
Till you've been there you can't get it. I work PSD and was infantry/ PSD in the army for 17 years including 2 tors in the sand box.
That product is JUNK
If you what to get your self hurt by using junk go for it
Or you can listen to people that know what they are taking about
Context, sir. Look up the thread.
I'm also a certified CQB and small unit combat instructor
There is NO use for that shield mount it restricts you to much
There's no way that the poster before me was serious about using that "juggernaut" getup, either.
And your legs and lower torso are still vulnerable
I'm explaining the reasoning behind their invention and its marketing, not my intended use case
It sounded like you were trying to say it was a good product
I find the idea amusing. Like the bullshit in those "Army of Two" video games. That's all. Though I have no doubt that they'll find some - and you used the appropriate term - mall ninjas in local police departments to sell a few.
And thanks for rubbing it in about your career. Lol. I was robbed of mine. Nominated to USMA by the then-chairman of HASC, but disqualified from service by DODMERB. I even tried a direct commission years later when some requirements were slackened to ease the personnel deficit brought on by GWOT, but was again denied the chance to fight.
Lol. How could you have known?! I'm picking. I just wanted to point out that I have desperately wanted that life from a young age (my grandfather did WWII, Korea, and Vietnam, and my uncle graduated USMA in 1987), and I'm grateful we have men who have "seen the elephant" in our camp.
We have lots of combat vets going I know lots of TWP are former military
Our high school made us do a year-long project as Seniors, sort of like a junior dissertation. You did a paper and some sort of physical project, presenting both in a formal lecture at year end in order to graduate. I did a detailed study comparing the German campaign in France, 1940 to Operation Desert Storm. Many civilians are still unaware of the Stryker ICV family. At 16, I was closely following its development and knew I wanted eventual command of one of the brigade combat teams.
My inability to wear the uniform has left a tremendous void in my life, with which only my children and this movement have enabled me to cope.
But strikers suck also 😊
Lol. Yes, I have taken some solace in the fact that they've sort of turned out like the second coming of the early Bradleys.
Now they look like rolling fences with all the anti RPH cadges on them
Do the men in the field like any of the light armor options? How has the MRAP been received?
TBH I was a light fighter i liked the 1157 HMMWVS
The MRAPS are great but suck for Iraq do to how narrow the roads are
A lot of places they can't go
So you have to dismount Outsode the town and go in on foot
They are massive. They're put together here in South Carolina, down in Ladson.
Really a war that should never have been fought.
My best friend - also a Patrick, and still a Marine - fought through the whole battle of Nasiriyah right at the beginning of the war. He said it was the most miserable two weeks imaginable.
Stryker > sdkfz 251
I dunno, man. There's nothing like the 251/16. The only thing better than flammenwerfer? Flammenwerfer x 2! Amirite?
Ever ridden in one? Lol
What about a stern panzer
Well, no. That would be a once-in-a-lifetime affair.
You know some militaries still use the Sd.Kfz it is a modernized version but Romania , Fhe Chezec republic , Hungry and some of the Balkans nations still use them
I knew Hungary, but not the others. That's awesome. Yeah, the Balkans love their German weapons. It's the last place still using 7.92x57 ("8mm Mauser") in any quantity. Which is a shame, because it's a damn good round. I have one of the Egyptian contract FN-49 rifles chambered for it.
Gotta get your reenact on son
Features StuGs and a couple 251/16s.
We had trucks too lol
No shit. So you do the Bulge show at Indiantown Gap?
Those pics are from the Reading airshow and Fort Indiantown Gap event
Haven't reenacted in a couple years though
Nice. I'm actually originally from Scranton, and went back there for my undergraduate work.
I'm from Baltimore originally but PA is Eden compared to MD
Well, I can't speak from experience. "The Wire" is all that's been necessary to keep me clear of Charm City.
When I was young we did live smack in the middle of Philadelphia, which was fine. But later, my dad had to work in West Philly, which was not.
The wire is an accurate depiction of the ghetto. White areas are safe or were. Since the riots (that I joy rided through) the niggers have been spilling over since the cops don't give a damn after being thrown under the bus
We later moved out to Bryn Mawr, and he even did a rotation at Geisinger, so we lived in Danville for half a year.
Exactly. I'm familiar with several long-serving members of our local law enforcement here around Columbia, SC, and they are unanimous in expressing their frustration at the knowledge that they can't actually police because no one up the chain of command will have their back. They're also utterly disgusted by the defeatist, lazy, and plea-happy, if not downright catch-and-release prosecutors.
These are men who felt a calling to their work (most after their military service, to boot), and can't believe what a mockery the institution to which they long ago chose to dedicate their lives has become.
It's sort of like a more compact, intense version of what I think all of us truly red-pilled feel.
I guarantee 9/10 White cops are either WN or sympathetic
I'm from a cop family and all my kin are sympathetic to us
Well, once you're actually exposed to the filth, you know the score. Classmates at Scranton used to dismiss my "racism" as "ignorance" I had picked up in SC. I would explain to them that Richland County, SC is equal parts Black and White, so I had lived the experience, while they were the ones ignorant of the problem because they'd never left their insulated zip codes out in the wealthy Philadelphia suburbs.
@PureDureSure yeah the Serbs love the 8mm the Serbian army uses a big AK in 8mm and I have one 😊
No shit? That's amazing. I want one now! Actually, do they make an RPK variant? Lol
That's really neat! It's like a battle rifle counterpart to the AK. It's actually a lot like the PSL, isn't it? Just less DMR-oriented.
When were these imported and what are they called?
It is called a M76 sniper rifle
Leaning PASGT but that face shield...
Are you going to be on or near the shield line?
The official shield line no, though my group has shields and a couple EMTs in it so were planning on being near any action to help
It's the classic mobility vs protection debate. The riot helmet even has a rubber seal along the top and sides of the mask. The cons are it's hot, heavy and hard to hear.
So if you're not like, 100% dedicated to be part of the stationary wall, I'd opt for mobility.
And run with the PASGT + goggles instead
I know a lot (if not all) of our guys on the wall are running setups similar to what you have on the right with a full face shield, but if you're going to be moving around and needing to coordinate with people on the go, I'd probably go with the PASGT
That's what I'm thinking, if this was fall or winter I'd go riot helmet but fuck being a heat casualty
Yeah it's gonna be pretty warm, fairly humid as well.
Long term forecast is 84 mostly sunny which isn't too bad this time of year
True, but I think the humidity is supposed to be like 75% or something. So that's about 10 degrees added on, plus a bit of stickiness.
Still not too bad but I wouldn't want to be wearing that riot helmet all day long if I planned on being mobile haha
My thoughts exactly
I spend years ww2 and cw reenacting in wool uniforms in summer and work a bit outside so I'm accustomed to summers around here... They can be brutal to Midwesterners and new englanders
Yeah, it's actually looking more like 85% humidity now that I check. Still only about a couple more degrees difference. I tend to run warm but the heat never really bothers me.
9/10 UV index tho so for us very HUWHITE people, be sure to take that into account.
Especially considering we'll be in a large, open park with very little shade.
Detroit guys - I was there for 13 years and now im in deep South and I am outside a lot doing manual labor when Im not wage cucking. Plan hydration into your battle plan down to the amount of Gatorade you will carry. By the time you feel thristy, it's too late to get the hydration into your cells.
Thank yo in for the advice comrade
Thanks for that heads up Karl. A lot of our guys have lived in deserts for a few years and we'll for sure have a solid plan in place.
I'm bringing a gallon of water in my pack.
The 2 emts in my group are bringing IVs for those who do not listen
Plus concentrated liquid Gatorade, 1 squirt per 8 oz watee
I told them to but they are almost boomers when it comes to discord so they didn't sign up. I'll pester them again
They're on threema though
Concentrated Liquid Gatorade?
Yep, I usually take it backpacking to hide iodine tablet taste when drinking from springs, creeks etc
Comes in a small squirt bottle. Wal-Mart/Grocery stores sell it near me
I dont want concentrated sugar tho
SHIT THE PLANTS CRAVE
In case the police deploy pepper spray, would these be permitted? https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01A12J3GI/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1502117472&sr=8-1&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=dewalt+goggles&dpPl=1&dpID=51OnLlU2IyL&ref=plSrch
Probably better to wear regular sunglasses which would double as spray protection as well as dox protection.
After much research for something suitable and relatively inexpensive, plus slightly "tacticool", behold:
I'm bringing my DeWalt goggles. Lol.
My main concern is potentially infringing the no-mask laws; I would only wear these if shit really hit the fan, otherwise it would be sunglasses
VA will jump your ass over the masks, and ten to one says the nigger vice mayor won't be trying to get charges dropped for us if anything happens.
Would ski goggles work? Lol
Ideally you want something snug fitting and shatter proof.
Keep in mind nothing you will have is likely to completely stop the pepper spray, just slow it down. It does work its way around seals and get in.
ESS are just that and can be found at any decent surplus shop
And something with an anti-fog coating, or to which you have applied and anti-fog coating. It's going to be hot.
ESS goggles are fucking huge though, I have a pair
They have trouble staying in place if you just wear them by themselves without a helmet as well
I don't have that problem
Fit me fine
So should bring my armor now ...
Hell with it. I'm bringing my shield baton and my flagpole
Don't wearbody armor
IF you wear body armor and commit a crime in VA it's a felony
Unlawful Assembly is a crime
Wouldn't ware it but it is going in the bag for a worst case sinereo where we take fire
@Hand Banana Also just carrying a fire arm while committing a crime is a felony so any of us CCWing are going to be already fucked if arrested
Hence I won't be CCing
Yeah no thanks I'm not going unarmed anywhere need AntiFA
Thats your individual perogative
Gun = no brawling.
Having fists you can use might be more useful
I don't plan on fighting i plan on keeping my principal safe
The problem is that in some situations they can hold the entire group accountable for the one as part of "the problem." So if one is arrested and carrying, it can effect everybody. I won't tell you not to carry, just be mindful of the major consequences potentially involved.
If shit gets bad I have some one I need to get the hell out of dodge
Do what you think is best for you, knowing your own personal ability to handle these situations.
For the average Joe Blow, I'd say leave the firearm at home.
Don't let yourself be "that cuck" without a torch for Friday night's vigil!
Shields at the ready...
I've seen people talking about how a hat and sunglasses together is covering too much, but I don't know if that's based on law or a guess
Find a white cop with rank insignia to ask
anyone using a shield, what are you using in your other hand? i see batons are discouraged but would a 3 foot dowel be deemed unlawful?
or 2 feet, whatever length
I think flag poles are what most would be carrying
What is the dress code for Friday night's tiki torch gathering - white polos?
Hawaiian shirts and shorts
Tiki torches are the last stand of implicit whiteness
is there a standard issue gear list for attendees?
>tfw you look like a school shooter
Needs moar bowl cut
I'm a girl. I don't crush anything. Haha. I just like that overkill photo
Is that judge dredd?
@here We are about 20 guys driving through the border from Canada and we obviously will not be able to bring protective gear like shields and so on through the border agents, if you've got extra ones, some of our members are interested in buying them from you over there
Just a reminder if you get arrested consider yourself doxxed all that is public info
Bring running shoes
Something that goes over ankles would be better
Some well broken in boots are just fine even if you have to run
if police do their job there shouldn't be any arrests on our side
You can get taken in for being in an altercation, even if you were just defending yourself when someone attacked you.
It doesn't matter how well police are doing their job, they aren't going to be able to keep both sides apart entirely the whole time, especially since it doesn't seem like they're going to set up barricades, remove antifa from the park, escort our people in, etc.
As it stands now, we don't have a permit. They don't have to give us any special treatment.
i thought police said they are honoring the original permit in terms of providing security
They have no obligation to.
I would not count on it. Best to prepare for the worst case scenario, and be pleasantly surprised if things go better.
Purchase self defense insurance
how'd you make the eagle stencil?
Print out and cut it out by hand. Was a pain I the ass tbh
@IdentityIndiana especially with all those awperatwd little pieces on the wing, damn
Yea, I ended up and painted over it and made it a lot more clear now. It's looking sharp 💯 @Frederick De Peyrens - VA
I want to paint the Italian fasces on my shield but I'm artistically retarded and can't do it without a stencil. Any ideas how I can make one?
Can always draw it on painters tape the cut out then paint
@here Are athletic cups recommend for protecting our big 'ol fascist balls? Or are the shields enough?
Better to have a cup and not need it than need it and not have it
Should I dress up? I don't want to ruin good clothes if there's a chance I might get attacked. Just curious if there's a dress code.
@IceBaine#6571 think the standard uniform is a white polo and khakis. I'm doing a cheap white polo that still looks pretty nice, some blue jeans and boots however.
I'm wearing flip flops, a wife beater, and swim trunks (2 sizes too big and with the American flag pattern)
Where is that coming from?
steel is heavy, get a construction hard hat
in white or black for muh aesthetic
Pasgts or bust
Use a helmet cover if you do steel. Steel gets hot as bawls in the sun
Get on TWP level
@here what is the freaking uniform for Saturday??? We doing I.E. white on khaki or what?!?
Mostly everyone will be in white bloc
Groups have uniforms, if you're not in one I guess there technically isn't one
Looks great goy
Is there a general plan? I don't want to embarrass my brothers by looking phenomenal while the are in walmart khaki/polo
>Shopping at walmart ever
Alright, I tried
At least business casual I'd say. My picture is the uniform for the TWP officer corp
You copied my PSD uniform 😜
Just busting your balls comrade
The TWP uniform other than the tshirt for plebs is some kind of Golden Dawn/Nordfront hybrid it seem. Intentional? Maybe
It's going to be hot as balls. Dress for the weather
Somebody should make a standardized shield design/blueprints for ourguys that you can make with basic supplies & tools.
Its pinned on this channel I'm pretty sure
I don't see it