nothing you said is particularly wrong but you do seem to have a incorrect underlying narrative

islam expanded immensely at first - with the arabs

most people didn't become muslims until centuries after, even in caliphatian lands

https://images.app.goo.gl/NN2tkXyhPtiNUeFD9

they had to cope and say that zoroastrians were people of the book

because iran was too zoroastrian and they couldn't kill them all

why did you send me this map?

I'm not saying the Islamic world stopped expanding after Muhammad

I'm saying it was clearly an established thing

i didn't think you were saying that

Then why did you bother with that response

i said that this religion was bullshit in the eyes of the outside world at this point in time

Not really

This was at the end of Muhammads life

yes

they had conquered west arabia and oman

Yes

these regions are shitholes now, let alone then

the fucking ethiopians conquered arabia before them

The ethiopians are based.

Sure?

I don't know how you think this is rare though

the whole thing you tried to prove with the posting of that map is that islam was a powerful and legitimate religion at that point

It unequivocally was

it wasn't. it was still a fringe movement, especially for someone who isn't a middle easterner

You assert this with no reason

i gave you the reasons

You did not, you said he conquered a shithole, the entire world was a shithole at that point

no?

Compared to today yes

the desert was always poorer than everywhere that's... well, not desert. lol.

read yazdegerd III's letter to umar

civilized people literally regarded arabs as lizard eating sand dwelling shitskins

This is the same as any civilization regarding any other civilization. This still isn't even on the level of anecdotal evidence, it's entirely speculation. When you say "I can't explain this" it's simple, he just converted.

Every religion has this story

yes, i can't explain why he converted

what convinced him

It was a charismatic movement

Why did the entire area convert?

which entire area?

The Arabs

i'd reckon either because of legitimate zelaoutry or political reasons

muhammad had a sort of "kill all pagans policy"

Mass convertion tends to lend credibility to charismatic, that's what I'm saying

when he destroyed the idols in mecca and nothing bad happened i'm sure that left an impression on the pagan arabs

If all of India converted, I'd possibly believe it

sure, but this dude was a king in hindu india

It was literally only him who converted

if all of india converted i'd definitely believe it, lol

India had such a large population, some others must have seen it no?

his astronomers saw it supposedly

and then when muslim traders came to malabar they explained what happened to the king

so he went to visit muhammad for himself and converted

That's not a minor thing, it was only the king and his close men according to the tradition. I'm asking for something substantial outside of the oral tradition

idk man, it's pretty scary to me

What could have happened is he heard of a great conqueror, on his way there someone explained that the moon split according to Muhammad, and all of this converted him.

That story has the same backing as this

>on his way there someone explained that the moon split according to Muhammad

but if he didn't see him split it this would disprove islam, no?

Why would it disprove Islam?

The entire world didn't see it split

If him not seeing it disproves it, the rest of the world must as well

I'm pretty sure the moon split could somehow be explained astronomically or scientifically, and if not I'm pretty sure it's not as we think it was.

Do we have any precise description of how the moon looked like btw?

Some Muslims think it's allegorical

It probably was not an eclipse imo

It split in half completely iirc

Bc I think there was only one eclipse during the time of his life

And the Quran already used that one up earlier I believe

Tribal

People knew what an eclipse was and how it worked very well, it was definitely not an eclipse.

I haven't done any research on the subject, I'm gonna look it up.

I mean it doesn't need a scientific explanation

As it's only been noted within Islamic tradition

i've always found it scary how successful this religion is

besides that point

Christianity has more converts, Islam just has more babies

Battle of yarmouk?

what sort of christianity? @Eoppa

En toto

but you don't consider other churches to be christian

Sure I do

There is a difference between apostasy and heresy/schism

you misunderstand me

i pointed out the success of islam on the global stage as a sort of oddity that may indicate that it could be the correct faith

But be careful lending credence to a church based on growth

i don't *necessarily* do that

but it's just odd

i was talking to my ortho friend about this just a few moments ago

This is what condemned the charismatic movement

and he said that he had dreams of allah torturing him for rejecting the quran

coincidentally, muslims believe allah sends revelations in dreams only

seeing all of this in such short notice can have an effect on a soul

Funny

I had a dream that I was shaving a wall of potatoes today, but anyways Islam is demonic

Religions always play this trick on people. *What if this religion is actually the true one? It has many followers. What if their God punishes me?*
And that's mainly why religions suck. They inspire fear. Especially during the Middle Ages.

But I don't expect you to understand that.

Blocked

Like I care.

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Even the Quran preaches love and peace smh

😂

Preaching love and peace doesn't mean that the Qur'an doesn't inspire fear.

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Quit shitposting, this is a serious channel.

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lmao

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i don't think you needed to warn either of them

Pissy pants

I do.

Memeing around isn't allowed here.

asdrubal stopped after you said to quit shitposting

Anyway

what can you do it's the sort of community we're in

Sure, I just warned formally.

What's your issue anyway

Back to the convo

My opinion on it is there are a few options;
1) Muhammad/allah intended the miracle only for a few people. That's why most of the world missed such a big event.
2) It didn't happen, it's just a mistaken/malicious oral tradition.
3) It did happen, and the whole world missed it because they are dumb, and Arab muslims are smart.

Islam is kinda based

Muhammad was white

& 2 black slaves were worth one white slave

& he said satan looks like a black man

THE white

he was the only white person

no idea what you're talking about

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Lol

my niggas will remove messages with the n word because it breaks discord tos but have a merchant emoji

Silence.

Islamic societies are pretty based

<@&588707615643795456> Daily Question 🔖

- Should Religions and Religious Texts change with a society? So if something viewed as disgusting or degenerate by God(s) yet the society you live in embraces it, should the religious texts and/or followers be allowed to change with it?

No lol

That would undermine the whole purpose of religion

Wtf no

That defeats the purpose of a religion having a moral code

"yeah guys we claim that truth is eternal but we might change if low brained progressives demand we change"

Society should base its morals off of christian values, christian values should not base the eternal moral law off of general public opinion

What a fucking terrible question

yeah i bet the person who asked that was a woman

Ikr

And probably an athiest

could be a pagan

How you apply the truths can change, but never, ever should the truth change

No lmao

You can't change truth

No. Religious texts (Christianity) are holy. Any degenerate religions are not held to that standard. Yet they expect Christians to change with the times.

Christianity is a degenerate religion, it teaches people to be meek, as "humble as a child" tells the poor to breed like rabbits. It's been anti science and reason for two thousand years

Τhe term "degenerate" is a stupid term either way.

@Zach >trusting scientists

>trusting anyone

>Anti-Science
>Ignores the fact that Catholics (alongside with Muslims) were the first ones to open modern universities and instituted an educational model partly based on science (Quadrivium, of Liberal Arts Education); made large discoveries in Physics (Mean speed theorem, Relative velocity), Astronomy (Gregorian Calendar, Big Bang Theory), Biology (foundation of modern genetics); Geography (record explorations on the New World, Africa and Asia) and Philosophy (New Platonism and reintroduction of Aristotelian ethics)

^

don't bother arguing with anti-theists, i blocked the fellow

being an atheist is one thing, but anti-theism entails a specaial hatred of the Lord

you can tell them whatever you want to, their hatred of good is too large for their view to change

That's why I hate the New Atheism movement. Is has somewhat become of a cult justifying being againsn't the lord than anything else.

Satanistsists

Christianity is the only non-degenerate religion. Because it teaches love and to aerve others. It also is a double edged sword into hold your beliefs and remove blasphemy from presence.

It teaches love and service, duty and honor.
It also teaches that we are not to be weak, cowards or spineless, or homosexuals.

^

How does Christianity reverse weakness, cowardliness or homosexuality though?

By providing an individual with a framework of knowledge, where they know what awaits them if they behave a certain way, and not behave a certain way

Great way to reverse homosexuality.

Hasn't worked that much though, has it?

It has

I've met a lot of people who've stopped being homosexual after seeking help in Christianity

I know its anecdotal, but this validates that statement imo

I have been talking with a Homosexual. He is slowly but surely seeking Christ and its something that I am proud of him for. Because the journey is always met with opposition.

there's tons of homos who have repented before the glory of Christ

though i don't think homosexuality is as much of a sin as we make it out to be

the problem is how strongly it's pushed for the most part

it wouldn't be pushed strongly if its byproducts and it itself wasn't a great sin to god

watching porn and adultery could objectively be much greater sins than homosexuality

homosexuality is like on the same level as fornication

Sin is Sin to God.

Sins that cannot be Forgiven:
Blasphemying the Holy spirit
EX: Praying to God and not believing it will come to pass.
Denying Christ - Example Denying
EX: Are you a christian? *Holds Gun to Head.* "No." *Pulls trigger anyways.*
Cowardice

Sins that God Hates, but will forgive:
Adultery,
Murder
Homosexuality,
Sexual Immorality (Pornography)
Fornication (A bit different) IE Penetration and intercourse
Drunkeness
Theft
Lying
Slander
Bearing False Witness (A bit different then lying)

But God will only forgive if you Repent IE. You admit you have a problem, and then never committing it again. You cannot say I'm a homosexual ask god for forgiveness and then continue having sex with your own gender.

You have to turn away from it and never commit it again

despair and denial of God can also be forgiven if you don't die in the meantime

St Peter denied his Christianity

st peter went to hell

It's not unforgivable permanently of course

cringe

@Sentient23

@Eoppa you have to physically repent of these sins for them to be forgiven

and stop engaging in them

others can be forgiven without that, nobody expects you to die completely free of sin

@Draško Correct

If you are cleansed in the healing blood of Jesus Christ, even if you sinned on your death bed. You'll still enter heaven, just you won't get the same measure of treasure. God cannot see you. But there is also those Christians whom say that they are Christians and are not christians, CINO (Christian in Name Only) They are to be cast into the lake of fire.

yeah there's a difference

faith and works

idk what your denom is but that's what i believe

Catholicism doesn't allow its followers to get spiritually involved and is paganism lite, holds pope to god like status, aka heretics.

Catholicism religion for the weak minded

how is it paganism lite

>holds pope to god like status

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>catholics pray to saints to pray for them
>not polytheism?

yes

its not

heresy simply

sure keep telling urself that

in the catholic church the pope is also infallible

I am an Anglo-Catholic. I was recently ordained as a priest and confirmed by the Patriarch of the European Anglo Catholic church.
Biggest differences:

1.) Christ is the Eternal Pope
2.) Priests may marry, so they will not be tempted into sin.
3.) Priests do not live off the Church, they must suppor themselves and families while adhering to Church activities.
4.) Does not pray to Saints or Mary, You pray to the Lord Jesus Christ, then address the father as it says in Scripture.

This is why I believe Anglo Catholicism. However I do not believe only certain denominations go to heaven. Except Mormons and Jehova Witness.

how can any man in the flesh besides jesus be infallible

I reject the Bishop of Rome.

the pope is infallible when he speaks ex cathedra and the church is infallible dogmatically speaking

but how does a mere man hold that status? is heresy

It is heresy.

jesus said he'd ensure that only truth comes out of ex cathedra statements

WHere does he say that in Ex Cathredra?

citation?

look it up im destroying koninus atm wait

The Pope supports disarmement of Christians, he has kissed men, he protects pedophiles by moving them away from Justice, he has signed a deal with the Muslims to create an alliance.

Dolf

Which is the forefather of the One World Order.

Don't refer to post vatican 2 sects "popes" as popes

they arent

pedophilia also problem in catholic church because you dont allow your priests to marry... depriving a man of his god given rights simply

they are anti popes

Okay.... I thought you were talking about Francis @Sentient23.

nah i wasnt

when one is starving many things seem more appealing that they would otherwise, yes?

I don't believe in Popes but Vactican 2 Sect Popes are blatant heretics. I still reject all forms of the pope if Jesus Christ isn't holding that office.

U were confirmed by ango catholic church?

YEs

lol don't they accept same sex marriages

Which is good.

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I was confirmed Monday,

catholic church was created when the roman empire realized that they couldnt control the mass conversions to Christianity, thus losing control on the empire, chose to adapt and accept the new religion, but forming it in such a way that people dont grow spiritually and are cut off from god... Catholicism is a method of controlling a population, as having a divine ruler (pope) is infallible, making anyone who doesnt follow a (heretic) and gives them "moral" rights to suppress them... simply.

^ ^ ^

Hence why I am an Anglo-Catholic.

pope is not infallible, papacy is wrong and immoral, just another way of controlling a population and corrupting a religion.

hell xaxa

B B BASED?

I believe Anglo-Catholicism gives proper respect to Jesus Christ and as a High Church must.

The Eucharist must be maintained, and its altars remain pure. Which is part of Anglo-Catholic Canon Law.

@Ater Votum why do you hate Jesus?

lole

do you trust Jesus?

putting false words in my mouth lole

not false words

i'm asking you

why do you preach against the word of God?

do you have that verse or

of course i do

> papacy is wrong and immoral

the first pope was appointed by Jesus Christ

you're aware of this, right?