Message from @Eoppa

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2020-02-20 22:03:59 UTC  

It unequivocally was

2020-02-20 22:04:06 UTC  

it wasn't. it was still a fringe movement, especially for someone who isn't a middle easterner

2020-02-20 22:04:16 UTC  

You assert this with no reason

2020-02-20 22:04:22 UTC  

i gave you the reasons

2020-02-20 22:04:41 UTC  

You did not, you said he conquered a shithole, the entire world was a shithole at that point

2020-02-20 22:04:52 UTC  

no?

2020-02-20 22:05:02 UTC  

Compared to today yes

2020-02-20 22:05:07 UTC  

the desert was always poorer than everywhere that's... well, not desert. lol.

2020-02-20 22:05:14 UTC  

read yazdegerd III's letter to umar

2020-02-20 22:05:34 UTC  

civilized people literally regarded arabs as lizard eating sand dwelling shitskins

2020-02-20 22:06:47 UTC  

This is the same as any civilization regarding any other civilization. This still isn't even on the level of anecdotal evidence, it's entirely speculation. When you say "I can't explain this" it's simple, he just converted.

2020-02-20 22:07:03 UTC  

Every religion has this story

2020-02-20 22:07:10 UTC  

yes, i can't explain why he converted

2020-02-20 22:07:12 UTC  

what convinced him

2020-02-20 22:07:28 UTC  

It was a charismatic movement

2020-02-20 22:07:36 UTC  

Why did the entire area convert?

2020-02-20 22:07:43 UTC  

which entire area?

2020-02-20 22:07:50 UTC  

The Arabs

2020-02-20 22:08:16 UTC  

i'd reckon either because of legitimate zelaoutry or political reasons

2020-02-20 22:08:34 UTC  

muhammad had a sort of "kill all pagans policy"

2020-02-20 22:08:58 UTC  

Mass convertion tends to lend credibility to charismatic, that's what I'm saying

2020-02-20 22:09:01 UTC  

when he destroyed the idols in mecca and nothing bad happened i'm sure that left an impression on the pagan arabs

2020-02-20 22:09:09 UTC  

If all of India converted, I'd possibly believe it

2020-02-20 22:09:13 UTC  

sure, but this dude was a king in hindu india

2020-02-20 22:09:23 UTC  

It was literally only him who converted

2020-02-20 22:09:28 UTC  

if all of india converted i'd definitely believe it, lol

2020-02-20 22:09:36 UTC  

India had such a large population, some others must have seen it no?

2020-02-20 22:09:54 UTC  

his astronomers saw it supposedly

2020-02-20 22:10:09 UTC  

and then when muslim traders came to malabar they explained what happened to the king

2020-02-20 22:10:17 UTC  

so he went to visit muhammad for himself and converted

2020-02-20 22:10:58 UTC  

That's not a minor thing, it was only the king and his close men according to the tradition. I'm asking for something substantial outside of the oral tradition

2020-02-20 22:12:02 UTC  

idk man, it's pretty scary to me

2020-02-20 22:12:05 UTC  

What could have happened is he heard of a great conqueror, on his way there someone explained that the moon split according to Muhammad, and all of this converted him.

2020-02-20 22:12:22 UTC  

That story has the same backing as this

2020-02-20 22:12:30 UTC  

>on his way there someone explained that the moon split according to Muhammad

2020-02-20 22:12:42 UTC  

but if he didn't see him split it this would disprove islam, no?

2020-02-20 22:12:54 UTC  

Why would it disprove Islam?

2020-02-20 22:13:04 UTC  

The entire world didn't see it split

2020-02-20 22:13:28 UTC  

If him not seeing it disproves it, the rest of the world must as well

2020-02-20 22:13:57 UTC  

I'm pretty sure the moon split could somehow be explained astronomically or scientifically, and if not I'm pretty sure it's not as we think it was.

2020-02-20 22:14:11 UTC  

Do we have any precise description of how the moon looked like btw?