Message from @Eoppa

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2020-02-20 22:09:01 UTC  

when he destroyed the idols in mecca and nothing bad happened i'm sure that left an impression on the pagan arabs

2020-02-20 22:09:09 UTC  

If all of India converted, I'd possibly believe it

2020-02-20 22:09:13 UTC  

sure, but this dude was a king in hindu india

2020-02-20 22:09:23 UTC  

It was literally only him who converted

2020-02-20 22:09:28 UTC  

if all of india converted i'd definitely believe it, lol

2020-02-20 22:09:36 UTC  

India had such a large population, some others must have seen it no?

2020-02-20 22:09:54 UTC  

his astronomers saw it supposedly

2020-02-20 22:10:09 UTC  

and then when muslim traders came to malabar they explained what happened to the king

2020-02-20 22:10:17 UTC  

so he went to visit muhammad for himself and converted

2020-02-20 22:10:58 UTC  

That's not a minor thing, it was only the king and his close men according to the tradition. I'm asking for something substantial outside of the oral tradition

2020-02-20 22:12:02 UTC  

idk man, it's pretty scary to me

2020-02-20 22:12:05 UTC  

What could have happened is he heard of a great conqueror, on his way there someone explained that the moon split according to Muhammad, and all of this converted him.

2020-02-20 22:12:22 UTC  

That story has the same backing as this

2020-02-20 22:12:30 UTC  

>on his way there someone explained that the moon split according to Muhammad

2020-02-20 22:12:42 UTC  

but if he didn't see him split it this would disprove islam, no?

2020-02-20 22:12:54 UTC  

Why would it disprove Islam?

2020-02-20 22:13:04 UTC  

The entire world didn't see it split

2020-02-20 22:13:28 UTC  

If him not seeing it disproves it, the rest of the world must as well

2020-02-20 22:13:57 UTC  

I'm pretty sure the moon split could somehow be explained astronomically or scientifically, and if not I'm pretty sure it's not as we think it was.

2020-02-20 22:14:11 UTC  

Do we have any precise description of how the moon looked like btw?

2020-02-20 22:14:26 UTC  

Some Muslims think it's allegorical

2020-02-20 22:14:42 UTC  

It probably was not an eclipse imo

2020-02-20 22:14:59 UTC  

It split in half completely iirc

2020-02-20 22:15:03 UTC  

Bc I think there was only one eclipse during the time of his life

2020-02-20 22:15:37 UTC  

And the Quran already used that one up earlier I believe

2020-02-20 22:16:00 UTC  

Tribal

2020-02-20 22:16:10 UTC  

People knew what an eclipse was and how it worked very well, it was definitely not an eclipse.

2020-02-20 22:16:21 UTC  

I haven't done any research on the subject, I'm gonna look it up.

2020-02-20 22:17:28 UTC  

I mean it doesn't need a scientific explanation

2020-02-20 22:17:42 UTC  

As it's only been noted within Islamic tradition

2020-02-20 22:17:52 UTC  

i've always found it scary how successful this religion is

2020-02-20 22:17:55 UTC  

besides that point

2020-02-20 22:18:16 UTC  

Christianity has more converts, Islam just has more babies

2020-02-20 22:18:19 UTC  

Battle of yarmouk?

2020-02-20 22:18:32 UTC  

what sort of christianity? @Eoppa

2020-02-20 22:18:37 UTC  

En toto

2020-02-20 22:18:56 UTC  

but you don't consider other churches to be christian

2020-02-20 22:19:03 UTC  

Sure I do

2020-02-20 22:19:20 UTC  

There is a difference between apostasy and heresy/schism

2020-02-20 22:19:29 UTC  

you misunderstand me

2020-02-20 22:20:11 UTC  

i pointed out the success of islam on the global stage as a sort of oddity that may indicate that it could be the correct faith