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2020-01-13 00:29:48 UTC

Fucking imprison all people with anime pfp

2020-01-13 00:29:55 UTC

Don't curse

2020-01-13 00:30:04 UTC

Worse individuals on this server

2020-01-13 00:34:21 UTC

Stop

2020-01-13 01:14:24 UTC

@Asdrubal They are an easy target if they are illegals, this will cause them to feel they have a backing and a place. The only part that is strange about it is that usually they are known for being quite Christian in their beliefs.

2020-01-13 01:21:05 UTC

@mamajean5 Theyโ€™re Christian-in-name only.

2020-01-13 01:21:33 UTC

>talk about and cite religious philosophies
>lie, cheat, and steal the whole way through

2020-01-13 01:29:39 UTC

Their actions more-or-less outweigh their incumbent beliefs.

2020-01-13 01:35:06 UTC

@Asdrubal ๐Ÿ‘บ

2020-01-13 01:35:13 UTC

No blasphemy of this server here!

2020-01-13 01:35:34 UTC

@Deleted User Yes actions are important, I'm just referring to the main belief system in their country, not saying they are all good Christian folk.

2020-01-13 01:36:15 UTC

Oh I'm aware.

2020-01-13 01:36:30 UTC

A lot of Hispanics are great Christians, I really admire them for it

2020-01-13 01:36:49 UTC

By Hispanics, do you mean Iberians or Latinos?

2020-01-13 01:37:00 UTC

Both if I remember correctly

2020-01-13 01:37:00 UTC

I would agree with you on the former.

2020-01-13 01:37:08 UTC

I'd disagree on Latinos, anyway.

2020-01-13 01:37:21 UTC

Just in my experience at least

2020-01-13 01:37:24 UTC

But I live in NY

2020-01-13 01:37:33 UTC

So I am not the most experienced with that type

2020-01-13 01:38:50 UTC

But Mexico had the Cristeros war which inspired a lot of Christian movements in Europe

2020-01-13 01:38:50 UTC

Like the Rexists

2020-01-13 01:43:50 UTC

Lot of good that did for their contemporary social sphere.

2020-01-13 01:46:03 UTC

Latinos are strong Christians

2020-01-13 02:12:55 UTC

https://banned.video/watch?id=5e1bbf6273de38002b596ca3

2020-01-13 02:18:43 UTC

@Leto Atreides II NO I DON'T WANNA BE A STRAWBERRY NOOOOOOO

2020-01-13 02:44:48 UTC

latinos strong christians

2020-01-13 02:44:48 UTC

Because they sold their souls to Satan. Makes sense there are a bunch of sickos running around in Hollywood, this practice of harming children for Satan has been going on for hundreds of years

2020-01-13 02:44:48 UTC

lol

2020-01-13 02:47:23 UTC

lol

2020-01-13 02:47:38 UTC

satan means truth in sanskrit @mamajean5

2020-01-13 02:48:30 UTC

@Deleted User Tajik, I wish to ask a question.

2020-01-13 02:54:54 UTC
2020-01-13 02:55:07 UTC

Are there any Orthodox communities remaining there.

2020-01-13 02:58:55 UTC
2020-01-13 02:59:03 UTC

Good, good.

2020-01-13 02:59:05 UTC

Russian and native mix, some just Russian migrants.

2020-01-13 02:59:08 UTC

You guys gotta protect them.

2020-01-13 02:59:19 UTC

There's actually special laws just for them.

2020-01-13 02:59:47 UTC

And there's no barriers against them when it comes to building churches and what not.

2020-01-13 03:00:03 UTC

Great.

2020-01-13 03:00:06 UTC

Good to hear.

2020-01-13 03:00:25 UTC

Sadly the evil Protestant Baptist types have been flooding central asia and the east in general, with their false gospel and cultureless/tradition less ways.

2020-01-13 04:13:02 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/587029563863990282/666132574841864224/3b9c7e.jpg

2020-01-13 04:19:35 UTC

Have any of you heard of Scientology?

2020-01-13 06:28:16 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/587029563863990282/666166610574180373/3b9c7e.jpg

2020-01-13 15:52:48 UTC

@Eoppa ??? ok 1.31 bil gonna die... no sweat of my brow -

2020-01-13 20:38:34 UTC

Well my point is you have no precedent sir

2020-01-13 20:39:05 UTC

How you gonna feel when we pull out the Catholic death squads

2020-01-13 20:43:58 UTC

@Eoppa get a job

2020-01-13 20:44:06 UTC

Done

2020-01-13 20:44:35 UTC

get a job

2020-01-13 20:44:37 UTC

Price clerk gang rise up

2020-01-13 20:46:09 UTC

Are you trying to pretend I'm some NEET anti social neckbeard larping or something?

2020-01-13 20:46:12 UTC

Imagine being paid to be a clerk and not devoting yourself to almighty God 27/4.

2020-01-13 20:46:14 UTC

smhsmhsmh

2020-01-13 20:46:18 UTC

Tru

2020-01-13 20:48:58 UTC

you're a catholic

2020-01-13 20:49:06 UTC

you don't believe in god

2020-01-13 20:50:22 UTC

Imagine being a GAY and PEDO Catholic and not a CHAD Orthodox.

2020-01-13 20:51:52 UTC

yeah

2020-01-13 21:02:46 UTC

unironically yes

2020-01-13 21:05:09 UTC

Cringe

2020-01-13 21:07:05 UTC

DURRR CRINGE DURRRRR CRRINGE!!

2020-01-13 21:07:06 UTC

Truly sinners will use non arguments

2020-01-13 21:08:58 UTC

Lies to justify rejecting Christ

2020-01-13 21:40:23 UTC

Being Catholic is better than being Atheist

2020-01-13 21:40:34 UTC

At least most Catholics reject the Vatican

2020-01-13 21:41:26 UTC

Catholicism is cring, embrace the C of E high church

2020-01-13 21:42:42 UTC

You can't reject the Vatican if you're an honest catholic

2020-01-13 21:48:16 UTC

I've never met a Catholic that follows the vat

2020-01-13 22:16:15 UTC

based anglican

2020-01-13 23:21:13 UTC

catholics worship the pope as god

2020-01-13 23:21:19 UTC

all catholics are heretics

2020-01-13 23:21:27 UTC

do they

2020-01-13 23:22:10 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/587029563863990282/666421766855458817/image0.gif

2020-01-13 23:22:40 UTC

Sorry to tell you, vicar of Christ doesn't mean pope is christ

2020-01-13 23:23:02 UTC

That's literally what the word apostle means anyways, representative of Christ

2020-01-13 23:23:17 UTC

why shouldn't i be a gnostic @Eoppa

2020-01-13 23:23:29 UTC

Because it's heresy

2020-01-13 23:23:53 UTC

I think Christ would happily grab a hammer and cave the pope's head in.... not even an opinion at this point.

2020-01-13 23:24:06 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/587029563863990282/666422250744053800/image0.jpg

2020-01-13 23:24:23 UTC

why is it heresy @Eoppa

2020-01-13 23:31:33 UTC

First of all because Salvation through knowledge is anti biblical

2020-01-13 23:32:25 UTC

Second, declaring the material evil is anti biblical

2020-01-13 23:32:41 UTC

Third, it's against the apostolic church

2020-01-13 23:50:06 UTC

Why is Salvation through knowledge anti-biblical

2020-01-13 23:51:10 UTC

Because salvation is through grace

2020-01-13 23:52:16 UTC

Even if you said something like, "but we gain salvation through knowing God" (not even gnostic), I would respond that the bible shows us that even demons know God.

2020-01-13 23:55:09 UTC

So salvation is the Christian concept of saving non-christians from being a stray from God yes?

2020-01-13 23:58:34 UTC

How do you save non Christians without them knowing what God is or if God exists?

2020-01-13 23:59:29 UTC

How do you save non christians without them existing to begin with
Therefore, people existing is what saves them

2020-01-13 23:59:33 UTC

This is literally the same argument lol

2020-01-14 00:02:19 UTC

You lost me

2020-01-14 00:03:06 UTC

I'm just asking what the difference between knowledge as salvation and grace as salvation

2020-01-14 00:58:27 UTC

What I mean is knowledge of some spiritual principle or such itself can get you to heaven

2020-01-14 00:58:35 UTC

Rather than God granting grace

2020-01-14 00:58:53 UTC

That's a dangerous concept

2020-01-14 01:08:11 UTC

lol

2020-01-14 01:08:23 UTC

What's so dangerous about God granting grace

2020-01-14 01:08:27 UTC

He can do whatever he wants

2020-01-14 01:08:38 UTC

God isn't what you choose god to be

2020-01-14 01:08:40 UTC

Or your church

2020-01-14 01:08:43 UTC

God is God

2020-01-14 01:08:52 UTC

Stop attributing what you can't prove to God

2020-01-14 01:22:03 UTC

How is that a dangerous concept?

2020-01-14 01:24:53 UTC

Knowledge of a spiritual principle or practice is part of worship is it not?

2020-01-14 01:29:25 UTC

it alone cannot get you into heaven

2020-01-14 01:29:31 UTC

mortal sins exist

2020-01-14 01:29:32 UTC

hello?

2020-01-14 01:30:08 UTC

demons know spiritual principles and so does satan

2020-01-14 01:36:00 UTC

What does demons and Satan knowing that have to do with anything

2020-01-14 01:36:10 UTC

They stood against God did they not

2020-01-14 01:37:12 UTC

If I commit a mortal sin is there no redemption I can attain through worship and changing my actions?

2020-01-14 01:37:13 UTC

@Deleted User I'm not saying granting grace is dangerous

2020-01-14 01:37:21 UTC

That's the opposite of what I said

2020-01-14 01:38:40 UTC

@Doktor Goon you have no grace at all, that's the point. Without grace you will not enter heaven no matter how well you think you act. All without faith is sin.

2020-01-14 01:40:21 UTC

So once I've committed a sin I might as well not bother no matter how much I want to redeem myself in the eyes of God?

2020-01-14 01:41:02 UTC

You shouldn't bother trying to live a pious life by yourself without God, that's just prideful, you can't do it

2020-01-14 01:42:02 UTC

God offers grace to all

2020-01-14 01:42:45 UTC

But gnostics believe in God don't they

2020-01-14 01:42:58 UTC

So do demons

2020-01-14 01:43:20 UTC

And?

2020-01-14 01:43:29 UTC

That doesn't grant salvation

2020-01-14 01:43:44 UTC

it does have to do with everything since ur saying that the mere knowledge of the principles constitutes grace

2020-01-14 01:44:34 UTC

Gnostics believed in reaching some sort of spiritual enlightenment, reminiscent of eastern stuff

2020-01-14 01:45:29 UTC

Is spiritual enlightment a bad thing?

2020-01-14 01:46:22 UTC

No

2020-01-14 01:46:34 UTC

They believed that constituted salvation

2020-01-14 01:46:49 UTC

That's the main reason why it's heretical

2020-01-14 01:47:12 UTC

By itself it could stand as it's own religion, but it tries to hold a claim to the bible and such

2020-01-14 01:48:48 UTC

They were the first Christians were they not?

2020-01-14 01:48:54 UTC

No

2020-01-14 01:49:59 UTC

That would be the Apostles

2020-01-14 01:50:18 UTC

You know what I mean

2020-01-14 01:51:15 UTC

I do

2020-01-14 01:51:20 UTC

And its incorrect

2020-01-14 01:51:28 UTC

They were an early heretical sect

2020-01-14 01:52:33 UTC

What I'm saying is the Apostolic church was first, it's the church Christ founded and it carries infallible authority down the line of succession from the Apostles

2020-01-14 01:53:14 UTC

What's your sect if you don't mind me asking?

2020-01-14 01:53:24 UTC

he likes touching kids

2020-01-14 01:53:36 UTC

so catholic

2020-01-14 01:53:40 UTC

I figured as much

2020-01-14 01:54:13 UTC

Eoppa do you acknowledge that the Church has been corrupted?

2020-01-14 01:54:40 UTC

One could argue for sedevacantism

2020-01-14 01:54:46 UTC

But the church itself no

2020-01-14 01:55:00 UTC

But the orthobros can't argue against what I'm saying

2020-01-14 01:55:18 UTC

This is when we were not in schism

2020-01-14 01:56:27 UTC

I don't get why orthodox peeps are so obsessed with accusing me of sexual degeneracy

2020-01-14 01:56:40 UTC

I follow the teachings of St John Chrisostym when it comes to sex

2020-01-14 01:56:54 UTC

You guys love him, I know that

2020-01-14 01:57:04 UTC

"For you will be expelled from the synagogues, and the time is coming when those who kill you will think they are doing a holy service for God."
Isn't this how evil operates? Pretend as if its good? Isn't the most adequate way satan can get people away from god is to make them think they're not worshiping him, but god himself?

2020-01-14 01:57:38 UTC

Sure? This doesn't apply though

2020-01-14 01:57:44 UTC

it does

2020-01-14 01:57:50 UTC

the catholic church is literally the anti christ

2020-01-14 01:57:51 UTC

The pope is not God

2020-01-14 01:57:57 UTC

Never claimed so

2020-01-14 01:58:02 UTC

That's heresy

2020-01-14 01:58:21 UTC

yes but they think that the pope and the church is the best representation of the whole religion

2020-01-14 01:58:34 UTC

so practically its the same thing

2020-01-14 01:58:39 UTC

Yes, but also not at all

2020-01-14 01:58:55 UTC

?

2020-01-14 01:59:19 UTC

The pope may hold authority, but there have been very few ex cathedra statements by a pope. That's even if he's a valid pope.

2020-01-14 01:59:40 UTC

Eoppa

2020-01-14 01:59:45 UTC

You aren't required to follow everything the pope says

2020-01-14 01:59:52 UTC

That's just not Catholic doctrine at all

2020-01-14 02:00:14 UTC

You do realize that majority of catholics aren't AS educated on theology as scolars and theologians are? Most people do think that majority of stastements and things put out by the catholic church is in correspondence with the bible and the whole religion

2020-01-14 02:00:39 UTC

I can say the same about orthodoxy

2020-01-14 02:00:43 UTC

What's your point

2020-01-14 02:00:54 UTC

The church still holds infallible authority

2020-01-14 02:00:59 UTC

My point is that the catholic church is the anti christ

2020-01-14 02:01:03 UTC

Its been corrupted by satan

2020-01-14 02:01:09 UTC

It has not

2020-01-14 02:01:18 UTC

The Vatican yes, but not all Catholics.

2020-01-14 02:01:21 UTC

This has been prophecized in the bible

2020-01-14 02:01:33 UTC

Its been predicted and its come true when it comes to the catholics

2020-01-14 02:01:48 UTC

Its not, this is prot tier stuff

2020-01-14 02:01:58 UTC

Catholics for the most part are extremely traditional. Itโ€™s just the Vatican that gets all the attention

2020-01-14 02:02:12 UTC

Have you read the verses about the last days on earth? Have you read what the bible says about the anti christ

2020-01-14 02:02:20 UTC

its literally identical to the catholic church and its actions

2020-01-14 02:02:35 UTC

It's not, this has been repeatedly debunked

2020-01-14 02:02:39 UTC

While i agree that Orthodoxy is the superior church i will say that the Catholic church is not all horrid

2020-01-14 02:02:41 UTC

how

2020-01-14 02:02:46 UTC

If anything it would be an antipope

2020-01-14 02:03:10 UTC

You have to present an argument for me to debunk specifically sir

2020-01-14 02:03:48 UTC

you said that the idea of the catholic church being the anti christ has been debunked so im asking how

2020-01-14 02:04:04 UTC

The Pope is a bitch

2020-01-14 02:04:08 UTC

Fuck the pope

2020-01-14 02:04:12 UTC

All my niggas hate the pope

2020-01-14 02:04:17 UTC

(modern pope)

2020-01-14 02:04:30 UTC

Pope Urban II was alright

2020-01-14 02:04:34 UTC

It's something addressed many times

2020-01-14 02:04:43 UTC

I'm trying to ask what argument you want debunked

2020-01-14 02:04:56 UTC

Typically it comes from people saying the pope claims to be God

2020-01-14 02:04:59 UTC

That's wrong

2020-01-14 02:05:12 UTC

Which argument

2020-01-14 02:05:19 UTC

@Eoppa Does the pope claim to be a mediator between God and Man?

2020-01-14 02:05:30 UTC

Or a representitive?

2020-01-14 02:05:39 UTC

In a way, but not in the sense of the verse you mean

2020-01-14 02:05:48 UTC

Because mediators obviously exist, just not for grace

2020-01-14 02:05:55 UTC

lmao no

2020-01-14 02:06:14 UTC

I think the Pope is more just to give order to the Church and make sure subordinates do not preach heresy

2020-01-14 02:06:19 UTC

The word apostle literally means a mediator of Gods message

2020-01-14 02:06:20 UTC

@Eoppa Would i be correct?

2020-01-14 02:06:32 UTC

The pope holds infallible authority

2020-01-14 02:06:39 UTC

But that's also a duty

2020-01-14 02:06:44 UTC

apostle

n.
One of a group made up especially of the 12 disciples chosen by Jesus to preach the gospel.

2020-01-14 02:06:54 UTC

Wikipedia got me like

2020-01-14 02:07:06 UTC

Yes Doctor?

2020-01-14 02:07:08 UTC

Exactly

2020-01-14 02:07:17 UTC

Preachers are not mediators

2020-01-14 02:07:29 UTC

Theyre just (generally) more knowledgeable

2020-01-14 02:07:37 UTC

Jesus gave them infallible authority in that, whatever they say, he says

2020-01-14 02:07:49 UTC

They mediate his words

2020-01-14 02:08:17 UTC

That's what I mean, the Pope is a mediator in the same sense any Apostle or church function you may name is

2020-01-14 02:08:26 UTC

That verse was in the context of grace

2020-01-14 02:08:30 UTC

But I'm going to take a shower

2020-01-14 02:08:33 UTC

So have fun

2020-01-14 02:08:50 UTC

Yea im never going to accept that train of logic

2020-01-14 02:09:25 UTC

But as long as you follow Christ and try to be the best christian you can, i will respect you regardless of denomination

2020-01-14 02:09:38 UTC

inb4 catholic egoists come screeching in "muh protestants go to hell"

2020-01-14 02:11:21 UTC

Epic

2020-01-14 02:11:22 UTC

African Christians on some shit

2020-01-14 02:11:44 UTC

"who became popular in 2010 for having a phone call with Jesus Christ"

2020-01-14 02:11:46 UTC

Im sorry what

2020-01-14 02:12:16 UTC

Oh dude African pastors are outrageous

2020-01-14 02:13:01 UTC

There was one I read about who was claiming he could save women by fingering them and shit I think

2020-01-14 02:13:08 UTC

lmao

2020-01-14 02:13:54 UTC

Or it was blowjob related I can't remember but it was one of the two

2020-01-14 02:13:58 UTC

It is considered good luck and strength in Liberia to carry a womanโ€™s severed genitals in your wallet.

2020-01-14 02:14:13 UTC

We should trust the people who were Kings.

2020-01-14 02:18:25 UTC

I'd say you gotta be a lucky and strong nigga to aquire such an item in the first place

2020-01-14 02:22:34 UTC

The entire county is in civil war.

2020-01-14 02:23:32 UTC

What else is new?

2020-01-14 02:27:47 UTC

South Sudan.

2020-01-14 02:33:14 UTC

Yeah you right

2020-01-14 05:20:57 UTC

question: is there any value for an agnostic to read the bible?

2020-01-14 05:50:54 UTC

No

2020-01-14 05:51:01 UTC

Read the Quran instead

2020-01-14 09:22:13 UTC

Is there any value for an agnostic to read ancient mesopotamian religious texts?

2020-01-14 09:22:24 UTC

I'd argue yes

2020-01-14 10:12:56 UTC
2020-01-14 10:13:14 UTC

Quran is theologically shitty

2020-01-14 10:14:00 UTC

They have no prophecies so they have to resort to saying that "People will get together" <- this prophecised phones and social media lmao

2020-01-14 10:16:54 UTC

The bible is not comparable to some random ancient mesapotamian text, even if you don't believe in the bible, it has much more significance and value

2020-01-14 13:04:13 UTC

Ok

2020-01-14 13:04:44 UTC

Both of my parents read it and I kind of want to get a better idea of it

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