Message from @Eoppa
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it alone cannot get you into heaven
mortal sins exist
hello?
demons know spiritual principles and so does satan
What does demons and Satan knowing that have to do with anything
They stood against God did they not
If I commit a mortal sin is there no redemption I can attain through worship and changing my actions?
@Deleted User I'm not saying granting grace is dangerous
That's the opposite of what I said
@Doktor Goon you have no grace at all, that's the point. Without grace you will not enter heaven no matter how well you think you act. All without faith is sin.
So once I've committed a sin I might as well not bother no matter how much I want to redeem myself in the eyes of God?
You shouldn't bother trying to live a pious life by yourself without God, that's just prideful, you can't do it
God offers grace to all
But gnostics believe in God don't they
So do demons
And?
That doesn't grant salvation
it does have to do with everything since ur saying that the mere knowledge of the principles constitutes grace
Gnostics believed in reaching some sort of spiritual enlightenment, reminiscent of eastern stuff
Is spiritual enlightment a bad thing?
They believed that constituted salvation
That's the main reason why it's heretical
By itself it could stand as it's own religion, but it tries to hold a claim to the bible and such
They were the first Christians were they not?
No
That would be the Apostles
You know what I mean
I do
And its incorrect
They were an early heretical sect
What I'm saying is the Apostolic church was first, it's the church Christ founded and it carries infallible authority down the line of succession from the Apostles
What's your sect if you don't mind me asking?
he likes touching kids
so catholic
I figured as much
Eoppa do you acknowledge that the Church has been corrupted?
One could argue for sedevacantism
But the church itself no
But the orthobros can't argue against what I'm saying
This is when we were not in schism