I think Christ would happily grab a hammer and cave the pope's head in.... not even an opinion at this point.

why is it heresy @Eoppa

First of all because Salvation through knowledge is anti biblical

Second, declaring the material evil is anti biblical

Third, it's against the apostolic church

Why is Salvation through knowledge anti-biblical

Because salvation is through grace

Even if you said something like, "but we gain salvation through knowing God" (not even gnostic), I would respond that the bible shows us that even demons know God.

So salvation is the Christian concept of saving non-christians from being a stray from God yes?

How do you save non Christians without them knowing what God is or if God exists?

How do you save non christians without them existing to begin with
Therefore, people existing is what saves them

This is literally the same argument lol

You lost me

I'm just asking what the difference between knowledge as salvation and grace as salvation

What I mean is knowledge of some spiritual principle or such itself can get you to heaven

Rather than God granting grace

That's a dangerous concept

lol

What's so dangerous about God granting grace

He can do whatever he wants

God isn't what you choose god to be

Or your church

God is God

Stop attributing what you can't prove to God

How is that a dangerous concept?

Knowledge of a spiritual principle or practice is part of worship is it not?

it alone cannot get you into heaven

mortal sins exist

hello?

demons know spiritual principles and so does satan

What does demons and Satan knowing that have to do with anything

They stood against God did they not

If I commit a mortal sin is there no redemption I can attain through worship and changing my actions?

@Deleted User I'm not saying granting grace is dangerous

That's the opposite of what I said

@Doktor Goon you have no grace at all, that's the point. Without grace you will not enter heaven no matter how well you think you act. All without faith is sin.

So once I've committed a sin I might as well not bother no matter how much I want to redeem myself in the eyes of God?

You shouldn't bother trying to live a pious life by yourself without God, that's just prideful, you can't do it

God offers grace to all

But gnostics believe in God don't they