Message from @Eoppa

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2020-01-14 01:08:23 UTC  

What's so dangerous about God granting grace

2020-01-14 01:08:27 UTC  

He can do whatever he wants

2020-01-14 01:08:38 UTC  

God isn't what you choose god to be

2020-01-14 01:08:40 UTC  

Or your church

2020-01-14 01:08:43 UTC  

God is God

2020-01-14 01:08:52 UTC  

Stop attributing what you can't prove to God

2020-01-14 01:22:03 UTC  

How is that a dangerous concept?

2020-01-14 01:24:53 UTC  

Knowledge of a spiritual principle or practice is part of worship is it not?

2020-01-14 01:29:25 UTC  

it alone cannot get you into heaven

2020-01-14 01:29:31 UTC  

mortal sins exist

2020-01-14 01:29:32 UTC  

hello?

2020-01-14 01:30:08 UTC  

demons know spiritual principles and so does satan

2020-01-14 01:36:00 UTC  

What does demons and Satan knowing that have to do with anything

2020-01-14 01:36:10 UTC  

They stood against God did they not

2020-01-14 01:37:12 UTC  

If I commit a mortal sin is there no redemption I can attain through worship and changing my actions?

2020-01-14 01:37:13 UTC  

@Deleted User I'm not saying granting grace is dangerous

2020-01-14 01:37:21 UTC  

That's the opposite of what I said

2020-01-14 01:38:40 UTC  

@Doktor Goon you have no grace at all, that's the point. Without grace you will not enter heaven no matter how well you think you act. All without faith is sin.

2020-01-14 01:40:21 UTC  

So once I've committed a sin I might as well not bother no matter how much I want to redeem myself in the eyes of God?

2020-01-14 01:41:02 UTC  

You shouldn't bother trying to live a pious life by yourself without God, that's just prideful, you can't do it

2020-01-14 01:42:02 UTC  

God offers grace to all

2020-01-14 01:42:45 UTC  

But gnostics believe in God don't they

2020-01-14 01:42:58 UTC  

So do demons

2020-01-14 01:43:20 UTC  

And?

2020-01-14 01:43:29 UTC  

That doesn't grant salvation

2020-01-14 01:43:44 UTC  

it does have to do with everything since ur saying that the mere knowledge of the principles constitutes grace

2020-01-14 01:44:34 UTC  

Gnostics believed in reaching some sort of spiritual enlightenment, reminiscent of eastern stuff

2020-01-14 01:45:29 UTC  

Is spiritual enlightment a bad thing?

2020-01-14 01:46:22 UTC  

No

2020-01-14 01:46:34 UTC  

They believed that constituted salvation

2020-01-14 01:46:49 UTC  

That's the main reason why it's heretical

2020-01-14 01:47:12 UTC  

By itself it could stand as it's own religion, but it tries to hold a claim to the bible and such

2020-01-14 01:48:48 UTC  

They were the first Christians were they not?

2020-01-14 01:48:54 UTC  

No

2020-01-14 01:49:59 UTC  

That would be the Apostles

2020-01-14 01:50:18 UTC  

You know what I mean

2020-01-14 01:51:15 UTC  

I do

2020-01-14 01:51:20 UTC  

And its incorrect

2020-01-14 01:51:28 UTC  

They were an early heretical sect

2020-01-14 01:52:33 UTC  

What I'm saying is the Apostolic church was first, it's the church Christ founded and it carries infallible authority down the line of succession from the Apostles

2020-01-14 01:53:14 UTC  

What's your sect if you don't mind me asking?