Message from @Sentient23
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Even if you said something like, "but we gain salvation through knowing God" (not even gnostic), I would respond that the bible shows us that even demons know God.
So salvation is the Christian concept of saving non-christians from being a stray from God yes?
How do you save non Christians without them knowing what God is or if God exists?
How do you save non christians without them existing to begin with
Therefore, people existing is what saves them
This is literally the same argument lol
You lost me
I'm just asking what the difference between knowledge as salvation and grace as salvation
What I mean is knowledge of some spiritual principle or such itself can get you to heaven
Rather than God granting grace
That's a dangerous concept
lol
What's so dangerous about God granting grace
He can do whatever he wants
God isn't what you choose god to be
Or your church
God is God
Stop attributing what you can't prove to God
How is that a dangerous concept?
Knowledge of a spiritual principle or practice is part of worship is it not?
it alone cannot get you into heaven
hello?
demons know spiritual principles and so does satan
What does demons and Satan knowing that have to do with anything
They stood against God did they not
If I commit a mortal sin is there no redemption I can attain through worship and changing my actions?
@Deleted User I'm not saying granting grace is dangerous
That's the opposite of what I said
@Doktor Goon you have no grace at all, that's the point. Without grace you will not enter heaven no matter how well you think you act. All without faith is sin.
So once I've committed a sin I might as well not bother no matter how much I want to redeem myself in the eyes of God?
You shouldn't bother trying to live a pious life by yourself without God, that's just prideful, you can't do it
God offers grace to all
But gnostics believe in God don't they
So do demons
And?
That doesn't grant salvation
it does have to do with everything since ur saying that the mere knowledge of the principles constitutes grace
Gnostics believed in reaching some sort of spiritual enlightenment, reminiscent of eastern stuff
Is spiritual enlightment a bad thing?
No
They believed that constituted salvation