https://delphihealthgroup.com/alcohol/hereditary/

You are still gish-galloping.

You never admitted any mistake on fetal alcohol syndrome being genetic.

I thought you weren't interested in arguing anymore whiic

Drinking alcohol doesn't give you AUD, it isn't changing your genetics

Fine, I wouldn't reach you anyway. You don't acknowledge developmental disorders to exist outside of "it causes mutation in genes, herpa derpa".

Just read the article @XoviaHarmile

https://gyazo.com/9745658c2602de7bf7d5ffd7ebe4292f

🇴 🇻 🇪 🇷 🇱 🇦 🇵

@whiic

@Monstrous Moonshine Similar levels of denseness experienced, yes.

<:pepelaugh:544857300179877898>

@ETBrooD if they are twins they'll have the same genes, just because one due to social situations starts drinking doesn't mean that his genes have changed from those of their sibling. In the quote you highlighted it doesn't seem to suggest that genes causing a highly likelihood of addiction isn't being caused by alcoholism, but is just common

Although I don't know where from the article you've taken the quote from, so I could just be misinterpreting it

Anyway, I'mma go part-take in the pastime of geniuses

Playing Minecraft

That wasn't what was tested obviously

They tested the effect of drinking on the twins' offspring

Listen this is why people hate talking to you whiic, you argue someone, they fuck up and point and then that’s all it’s about. Everyone that argues you fucks up at one point or another

Hell I don’t even understand why you debate someone other than to try them look dumb

And of course, no one wants to admit their mistakes...*to you*

Because then you wouldn’t drop it

Then “oh so how can you be correct about the heritability of acholoism if you fucked up on FAS?”

Not only that, but I didn't even fuck up, because the argument was two-fold

1) nutrition effects the genes
2) those genes are heritable
Therefore good/bad nutrition affects the off-spring

"Because then you wouldn’t drop it"
All of the cases of me not dropping it, have been cases where once proven wrong, the retard refuses to admit being proven wrong. **AND IT'S JUST LIKE THAT THIS TIME AROUND AS WELL.**

I sure as fuck am not going to claim myself mistaken when I know I'm in the right and he's in the wrong. Nutrition does not change your genes. Your genes are what they are from the date you were conceived. Mutations are random and not nutritional (unless you eat something carcinogenic/radioactive), and will be independently mutated cell-by-cell. This causes **CANCER** not evolved characteristics.

I'm not giving up on **REALITY** because ETBrooD is scientifically illiterate moron, who still doesn't admit any mistake.

And all you advice is that no-one wants to admit being wrong because I would supposedly never forget their mistakes. And that they instead continue to be wrong, because that's (supposedly) more likely to make me stop mocking them for being idiots.

Who pissed in YOUR Wheaties, Whiic?

Shut up, retard.

If you aren't even going to defend nonsense like "nutrition changes your genome", then just shut up.

And no sensible person would defend such idiocy.

SALT

HOLY SHIT

Well no even your genes aren't fixed methylation and de-methylation alters their molecular structure. That's before we get into the really weird shit like transposons.

THIS IS LITTLEBOOTS tier salt

god bless your lolicon heart, Whiic. You made me laugh.

@whiic Though you'll notice how it's obvious that I'm not here to actually argue either point, and that you're getting REALLY fucking angry at me because.....I'm not arguing a point you're arguing against?

do you feel the need to have someone argue against you THAT badly?

Why are you in **DEBATE**?

I was checking on it

and saw something funny

you ARE aware that not every bit of content here has always been debate-related, right?

sometimes people like to react to others arguing in here

And you really don't have anything better to say about the topic?

Ouch. Still angry?

I wouldn't blame ya. I also get angry when people decide to make an observation about somebody who happens to be arguing.

though ya missed a good opportunity for a LB-tier insult

earlier, you COULD have said: "you aren't people, Lore"

I don't care about some insult and meta. Go spam elsewhere already.

>spam

<:pepelaugh:544857300179877898>

Yes.

'u mad bro' amazing argumentation

zzz

>reacting to something and then responding to somebody who gets made at that bait is spam

@Boop / 브파 / C'thUwU stop spamming bro smdh

Though I will say, @whiic. Sadly, you don't seem to be the sharpest knife in the drawer. Though, you'd think that you wouldn't fall for such obvious bait. It really does seem I expected too much of out you.

https://i.gyazo.com/6d2e26ea1e387181abcfea5b3155e341.png

@Boop / 브파 / C'thUwU I'm not the one being salty because of some obvious bait <:pepelaugh:544857300179877898>

can you not @ me

thanks

@Boop / 브파 / C'thUwU why not

because im asking

what are you, Livid?

im asking you not to

thanks

@Boop / 브파 / C'thUwU for what reasons?

just because?

Lore levels of meta in debate.

Whiic levels of salt in debate.

my reasons arent your concern

do not @ me

They are kinda my concern

@Boop / 브파 / C'thUwU is it because of pings blowing up for device?

welcome to the block list then bud

Lore thinks that's a win.

But refuses to admit he just spams.

of course he does

Meh. I deserved that block. 🤷🏻

If you don't mind, I'll add it to my list

Ah, I love being a sperg

it really triggers the other spergs here

I guess it's my natural gift <:pot_of_kek:544849795433496586>

@whiic I mean, getting him to block me WAS my goal, so yes. It WAS a win.

People block you only because you're like that baby who cries in the bus.

Nah

Baba blocked me for political reasons

Mother of Division blocked me for being a Weeb, I think.

Yeah, right. What political reason?

You didn't express any.

How would YOU know?

You made the positive statement about the reason.

Kinda so did I, but it was at least plausible.

Considering you never made any argument, only pinged.

"kinda so did I"

@whiic Nah, not the reason why Baba blocked me

Boop's the first person to block me for Ping Spam

Little_Boots blocked me for laughing at that one time he did some retarded shit

I blocked you for political reasons. Namely, because you are a communist.

I'm a Centrist Communist? Hella nice. For a moment, I thought I was being hella radicalized, man

I don't care if you think it's a "win".

I don't care if you care

whether you care is irrelevant

Hah

now I just need NinjaQuick to block me

whiic, he won already, geez

he was so retarded he made me not want to see his words anymore

>talking about somebody behind a block

victoryyyy

>blocking somebody who wanted to get blocked, and then being salty about them while you have them blocked
**Ladies and Gentlemen, WE GOT EM!**

https://tenor.com/view/reaction-victory-entourage-winning-success-gif-5410487

im currently winning, because i have the last word

easy

i say im winning, so im winning

😎

>blocking somebody
>then acting salty
>then responding to them when they respond

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-markiplier-gif-14835823

@Jym *"Well no even your genes aren't fixed methylation and de-methylation alters their molecular structure. That's before we get into the really weird shit like transposons."*

Well, none of that stuff supports assertions like "being well fed increases your IQ due to mutations in your genes".

Which I think is ETBrooD's general position on genes and IQ: that IQ is affected by genes... but that nutrition actually acts as an evolutionary agent, *after* you've already been conceived. He also mixed up fetal alcohol syndrome (developmental disorder) and genes that make people more likely to succumb to alcoholism (i.e genetic predisposition).

Calling fetal alcohol syndrome genetic is pretty weird, considering that it's pretty much in the name itself that it's about exposure to alcohol while still in the womb, not about pairing of the genetic materials. It's about environment the cells are subjected to, making the body develop differently despite of the genes. It's like transgender hormone therapy... and that doesn't make you change your biological sex anymore than fetal alcohol syndrome changes your genetic make-up.

I didn't mix those two up, that's your strawman

Why did you switch to the other, then?

I never followed your "logic".

And what's your explanation to this?

How does alcohol during pregnancy cause damage to genes?

Just because it's damaged development doesn't automatically mean it's damaged genes.

You claim gene pool is damaged because of drinking during pregnancy. Defend yourself, retard.

@ETBrooD Let's ping you so you know you have some explaining to do.

Or explain this:

This is some New-Age version of science.

I gave the FAS as an example to show that alcohol consumption can cause genetic damage because you rejected my claim that better nutrition causes better genes. I asked you to explain FAS so that you'd be forced to admit that (but you refused to answer the question).
https://gyazo.com/09642a4b102e3a59152f3e6172cb37e9

This is Kraut levels of nonsense.
**ACADEMICS PLEASE RESPOND.**

Since you straight up rejected the claim that nutrition causes any better genes at all, I could only continue my case of damage to the genes being heritable through nutritional deficiencies by addressing your initial rejection first.

How is FAS damaging **genes** come up in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetal_alcohol_spectrum_disorder
(or do I misremember you linking to Wikipedia earlier)

The wiki you linked to disagrees with your claim that FAS causes **genetic** damage.

One last time. Listen carefully.

It only talks about brain damage, nervous system damage, structural damage, etc. Not genetic.

How
Does
FAS
Damage
Genes?

My argument was not that the FAS causes genetic damage, by argument was that the FAS is an example of genetic damage caused by malnutrition.

Why does wiki disagree with you?

my*

So FAS doesn't cause genetic damage but FAS is example of genetic damage?

Yes

FAS is not genetic damage.

FAS is not genetic at all.

It's developmental.

It's like injecting estrogen into your veins. Might make tits grow but doesn't change you to XX.

So you straight up reject that malnutrition can cause genetic damage?

**YES.**

Damage is done to the cells, not really to genes.

And if you damage the genes with malnutrition or addition of carcinogens, you get cancer, not FAS or lowered IQ.

Mutations are random.

Malnutrition does not allow cells to function and replicate the way they should, so malnourished children will not grow as tall or as intelligent. But that's not because malnutrition damaged their genes.

If malnutrition caused gene damage, the children would develop cancer. Yet... cancer is a problem of the developed world, not the 3rd world.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA_damage_%28naturally_occurring%29
https://gyazo.com/b075a93bd9ab35e21e76d50eba58ceca

@ETBrooD That Wiki article does not contain word "malnutrition" or "malnourishment" in it.

If you spent half the time you waste here studying genetics and oncology, you'd both be experts and you wouldn't both look like autists.

So malnourishment **DOES NOT CAUSE GENE DAMAGE**. Why are you linking to that? You were supposed to prove the reverse. You fucking dullard.

Correction: the inverse

I was talking about both malnourishment and bad nutrition

You love to focus on one thing when I say several things

Technically, malnourisment does cause gene damage ... if you don't eat, you can't make new cells but the old ones still die, and you are under replacement rate for genetic material

That wiki also doesn't contain "nutrition" or "alcohol" in it.

How does that article prove FAS is caused by genetic damage?

Alcohol abuse can cause DNA damage
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3685494/
https://gyazo.com/87e1e9439d920a97c2e67860ad37d9df

Shit. I'm reminded of the superfluous stink raised over so-called "frankenfoods," a.k.a. genetically-modified organisms. FFS even if you do tweak its DNA, it's still food!

@Goddess Tyche That's a rather sophist way to put it. Because the only way for genes to be damaged is for cell to die.

@whiic I'm just having the same level of discussion as you two

And "your" genome is the genes of those cells still alive, so for "your" genes to get damaged by malnutrition, **you need to die first**.

Can't blame me for it, can you?

And by that point, fearing cancer is rather redundant.

I keep looking up the facts about this that I've gathered but you keep rejecting them without reading them properly, so yeah

Not wasting my time anymore, g'day

@ETBrooD Alcohol abuse is not same as FAS.

I'm done, if you ping me again I'll block you

@whiic It kinda is, though, it's just that you're not abusing it voluntarily, and doing it when it has the most potential to fuck you up.

Are we counting epigenetics here

I feel like epigenetics are worth counting

ETBrooD has a funny way of emphasizing what in uncertain over what is certain:

And he just goes on to emphasize the **UNPROVEN HYPOTHESIS**:

Yeah, it's like totally FAS is genetic abnormality dude. New-age science, man.

oh wait it's still this conversation

thought it was a different one, carry on then

We are discussing if compound fractures are caused by genes, or if instead they cause genetic mutations.

The possibility that they might be related to environment have been outruled.

Everything life does is caused by genes, in a sense; but just as calling everything 'political' simply creates a worthless term, so too does calling everything 'genetic'.

Certainly you may be more or less likely to cause a child to suffer from FAS, and certainly it is within the realm of possibility that some mechanism that warns a mother from drinking while pregnant could indeed erode over time, but in the end, FAS is not itself a heritable disorder, but an induced disfigurement.

In other words, ETBrooD, get owned

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-26089486

didnt think about that

i like the idea of gay people basically acting like Eunuchs

can leave them home with the women to protect them, without worrying about them raping

and the somoa idea of a third gender i like

But what if your wife rapes the gay?

women cant rape

thats ridiculous

@Jym

well I did not make that assertion. Merely pointed out that the view of DNA as an unchanging code was wrong. But FWIW on diet and starvation your mother's can have a big effect on your genes. An awful lot of methylation occurs in vitro. Which makes sense if you think about it this bundle of cells has to figure out where to turn into a toenail and where to turn into a kidney etc etc,

This creates an excellent opportunity for the mother's endocrine system which is in contact with the outside world to (and this is a very crude description) help the child develop so as to be survivable in that world. Look into the Dutch Hunger Winter phenomena it can actually be heritable while not strictly in the DNA code.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iytAHXo2_V8

https://youtube.com/watch?v=sKBRHE-pkM8

Same as Europe

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cqECNYmM23A

Most people act like they are nothing more than deterministic carriers of the genetic information coded in their dna.

i mentioned how that channel made an EU video

and then did videos about ants after

and i couldnt help but notice the connection

the nsome dingnugget was calling me retarded cuz 'theyre just nice vidoes with nothing to do with each other'

even though its the same channel, and the last video before the ants was an EU one that wasnt overly critical

Hi @@Boop / 브파 / C'thUwU I was going for the :

1. Same ants in their native environment

Compared to

2. Same ants in a predator free environment doing the same but with lack of genetic diversity... REGRESSION TO THE MEAN.

Only time needed to inevitably change the new environment as the hosts took a different evolutionary route which doesn't include maximising reproduction as their single top priority.


Unfortunately the channel isn't free from its own bias(es), their content usually is tailored to the YT censors' liking and when correction is made its less facts and more 'see how intellectually honest we are?' slant... Not that I'm blaming or criticising them. I just want others to maintain their ability to compare and see beyond a logo and superficial popularity. There's a lot one can learn and contrast, as long as with awareness of the things I mentioned above.

I wonder on the same token, how's Mexico able to state in its constitution that their ethnic majority has to be maintained? Why wouldn't they allow for other ethnic groups to replace the existing demographic assortment? (it isn't rocket-science, only forbidden to be discussed publicly)

Rude awakening is coming, we can't 'soft-land' anymore.

The more basic, the more aggressive an organism is, the less likely to influence or 'negotiate' with it... No prevention, the organism takes over like it is determined to by its genes.

Ie. : (below certain cognitive abilities we can effectively discard free-will, sad but empirically true.)

Also, for good or for bad: We can't care more or equally about other people's offsprings as we do for our immediate genetic relatives...

My nigga

I'm curious as to how ppl saw this definition :

"Love is our involuntary reaction to virtue, if we are virtuous ourselves."

Someone asked what's 'virtue' :

https://infogalactic.com/info/Virtue

Powerful image. @bruh1324

https://youtu.be/U6szSkwXbVo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6szSkwXbVo

The thumbnail of this video never shows up

Just on this server

Maybe something related to the auto censor on this server regarding explicit images

Could be what’s happening

https://youtu.be/09OaavP9k6E

Aleksandr Dugin on JF's show

tbh

the Fourth Political Theory

seems like something that SHOULD happen <:BIGBRAIN:501101491428392991>

Big name, have to check it out

I couldn't disagree more with the first 3 points

Western nations don't recog...other nation No other religiou... Wha?..

Blankety blanket terms

https://cpb-us-w2.wpmucdn.com/blog.nus.edu.sg/dist/2/4803/files/2016/05/Yoda_meme-yzp01i.jpg

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/1556756/

Gay people are more likely to be pedos

@nim.bm @sado

ye

like 1.4:1

Notfoxx is the greatest reason why we need to cull the English

>11:1

damn homos

you and islam got similar interests

gays want marriage

muslims want to fuck kids

time to team up

@Foxy this Cunt