It's like injecting estrogen into your veins. Might make tits grow but doesn't change you to XX.

So you straight up reject that malnutrition can cause genetic damage?

**YES.**

Damage is done to the cells, not really to genes.

And if you damage the genes with malnutrition or addition of carcinogens, you get cancer, not FAS or lowered IQ.

Mutations are random.

Malnutrition does not allow cells to function and replicate the way they should, so malnourished children will not grow as tall or as intelligent. But that's not because malnutrition damaged their genes.

If malnutrition caused gene damage, the children would develop cancer. Yet... cancer is a problem of the developed world, not the 3rd world.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA_damage_%28naturally_occurring%29
https://gyazo.com/b075a93bd9ab35e21e76d50eba58ceca

@ETBrooD That Wiki article does not contain word "malnutrition" or "malnourishment" in it.

If you spent half the time you waste here studying genetics and oncology, you'd both be experts and you wouldn't both look like autists.

So malnourishment **DOES NOT CAUSE GENE DAMAGE**. Why are you linking to that? You were supposed to prove the reverse. You fucking dullard.

Correction: the inverse

I was talking about both malnourishment and bad nutrition

You love to focus on one thing when I say several things

Technically, malnourisment does cause gene damage ... if you don't eat, you can't make new cells but the old ones still die, and you are under replacement rate for genetic material

That wiki also doesn't contain "nutrition" or "alcohol" in it.

How does that article prove FAS is caused by genetic damage?

Alcohol abuse can cause DNA damage
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3685494/
https://gyazo.com/87e1e9439d920a97c2e67860ad37d9df

Shit. I'm reminded of the superfluous stink raised over so-called "frankenfoods," a.k.a. genetically-modified organisms. FFS even if you do tweak its DNA, it's still food!

@Goddess Tyche That's a rather sophist way to put it. Because the only way for genes to be damaged is for cell to die.

@whiic I'm just having the same level of discussion as you two

And "your" genome is the genes of those cells still alive, so for "your" genes to get damaged by malnutrition, **you need to die first**.

Can't blame me for it, can you?

And by that point, fearing cancer is rather redundant.

I keep looking up the facts about this that I've gathered but you keep rejecting them without reading them properly, so yeah

Not wasting my time anymore, g'day

@ETBrooD Alcohol abuse is not same as FAS.

I'm done, if you ping me again I'll block you

@whiic It kinda is, though, it's just that you're not abusing it voluntarily, and doing it when it has the most potential to fuck you up.

Are we counting epigenetics here

I feel like epigenetics are worth counting

ETBrooD has a funny way of emphasizing what in uncertain over what is certain:

And he just goes on to emphasize the **UNPROVEN HYPOTHESIS**:

Yeah, it's like totally FAS is genetic abnormality dude. New-age science, man.

oh wait it's still this conversation

thought it was a different one, carry on then

We are discussing if compound fractures are caused by genes, or if instead they cause genetic mutations.

The possibility that they might be related to environment have been outruled.

Everything life does is caused by genes, in a sense; but just as calling everything 'political' simply creates a worthless term, so too does calling everything 'genetic'.

Certainly you may be more or less likely to cause a child to suffer from FAS, and certainly it is within the realm of possibility that some mechanism that warns a mother from drinking while pregnant could indeed erode over time, but in the end, FAS is not itself a heritable disorder, but an induced disfigurement.