Back to twin studies are you really forgetting what I already explained?

which is?

The difference between fraternals and normal sibs.

you're confusing faternal twins with identical twins

identical twins have EXACTLY the same dna

No I am not you have to compare all three categories because they act as controls. We cannot control for all other factors so these differentials matter.

Here I'll just grab a chart it's not the greatest but most methodologies produce something like this;


Same person (tested twice) .95 next to
Identical twins—Reared together .86
Identical twins—Reared apart .76
Fraternal twins—Reared together .55
Fraternal twins—Reared apart .35
Biological siblings—Reared together .47
Biological siblings—Reared apart .24
Biological siblings—Reared together—Adults .24 [70]
Unrelated children—Reared together—Children .28
Unrelated children—Reared together—Adults .04
Cousins .15
Parent-child—Living together .42
Parent-child—Living apart .22
Adoptive parent–child—Living together .19[71]

So no identical twins do not have identical IQ. What I am pointing at here is that *genetically* there is the same relatedness between fraternals and normal sibs. So same relatedness, same uterus for gestation. The *only* difference is when they were in utero.

https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/belfast-news/newry-acid-attack-leaves-one-17227687?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar&fbclid=IwAR1QfN5BzPsYGPf4fK371bU4LkLBGFyZRHsn9RA1R4qguE3js90nlwbUvx8 Cultural enrichment

I don't have the results of that twin study on hand, its something i read a while ago, i will try to find it back

like the exact figures and whatnot

but

Likely it is the Minnesota study.

do you really believe, that humans can evolve appart for 70 000 years and somehow end up with exactly the same cognitive abilities?

it just so happens that everywhere in the world black people just end up with a culture that holds back their iq?

First I think you are looking at more like 50,000 but that's not the point. They were not raised in glass jars of perfect isolation. And we can see regional variation. It doesn't really fit into the category you call race however.

Like Sickle Cell.

regional variation doesn't really counter my point

im not saying, there is 5 neat categories called race, and within it everyone is identical

Evolution is true - All the races are equal

pick one

OK well I was going to look at population wide variations that do express and are adaptive. Which is to say real genetic population differences.

im not disputing that west africans might have longer legs than east africans etc

but there was no contact between whites and blacks for 70 000 years

they lived in wildly different environments

evolution happens

but they magically end up with identical cognitive abilities?

but of course it just so happens that all the evidence around us points to them being less intelligent and more aggressive

we should ignore that though, its just socio economic factors i guess

evolution stopped itself at the neck

Not sure here. Are you conceding the earlier point or just trying to start a different discussion?

which earlier point

about twins?

Genetics and IQ.

genetics and iq is what im talking about lol

No, you just think you are. Back where we started thinking genetics=IQ=race.

yeah, I mean i dont understand how you could argue that race is not genetic, unless you wanted to take the left's approach that its a social construct

the day that asian babies start beeing produced randomly by black parents is when ill believe that

even if the racial categories are arbitrary, they represent a biological reality

Well I was trying to get to real genetic variations in population when you went off on that divergence...

Spoiler Alert; They don't end up conforming tot he category of race.

ignoring the title

the racial clusters are closer to each other than to other racial groups

you could form the circles differently, the edges of the concept are blurry

but race is a real thing

french and germans are closer genetically than to australian aboriginals

Yes you can make SNP clusters. That does not lend them signifigance nor mean they even express.

but they clearly do since black babies do not pop out of chinese vaginas

I count like about 20 there? There are 5 million and most of them do not express.

Sure yeah most of the regional variance that actually expresses is immunological. The epidermis is the front line of your body to the environment. Again I do not know why you are posting SNP clusters. You can make them for anything. Paleogeneticists use them to track Etruscans this does not make Etruscan an important biological category.

Paleogenetics is really cool BTW.

The racial groups are clearly biologically distinct from one another

if this was an animal, we would call them subspecies

geologically isolated from one another yet still able to interbreed

NO that's not what that means. You can isolate SNPs that are dominant for Iberians.

of course you can, but these are not just looking at one snp

europeans are much more connected and have much much more overlap with each other than with sub-saharan africans

SNPs, plural.

frankly this denial of the basic reality of race is pretty ridiculous

i remind you here, my argument is simply "race is genetic"

It's not denial of anything. I'm trying to explain some fairly basic genetics here but can't seem to get it past your obsession with race.

but race is the subject lol

you said, saying race=genetics is wrong

what is it then if not genetics?

In the sense that all life on this planet is genetic yes. In the sense that it is a genetically meaningful category no. Now if understanding genetics is immaterial to that topic for you then fine.

ok not everything is genetics

language is not genetics

religion is not genetics

etc

race is genetic

now wether its a "meaningful" category is entirely subjective

By your standard Iberian is a race and so is Hutu going back to an earlier example.

I would not call them races, maybe ethnic groups

part of a larger category called race

part of a larger category called species

etc

just because you can find a smaller sub-category doesn't invalidate the concept of race

you can say the same about a family say

OK then stop using graphs of SNPs then because if that is how you find 'race' Iberian is not a sub-category it is just as much a race as any other. If we are still talking about genetics that is....

Or you are saying that these golden collections of SNPs that happen to align with your pre-genetic unscientific concept of race are magically more significant than other SNPs.

are you saying there is just as much overlap between french and german than between french and somali?

look idk what to say, if you wont concede something as simple and obvious as "race is determined by genetics" then idk that this conversation is going anywhere lol

Neither do I concede something as simple and obvious as "the sun orbits the earth." For, like race, while it is plain for anyone to see nobody who studies the actual science believes it.

comando rn:

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https://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/07/18/what-the-experts-really-think-about-race-realism-and-white-nationalism-or-at-least-ideas-pertaining-to-it/

@Wulfric Check this out. Interesting results of expert consensus on race.

The eternal boomer should read this too lol

@whiic In the event of a company breaking its own organisation and contracts then either fines can be levied against individuals, or the assets could be de facto siezed, ie a court could just hand over UKIP's treasury, and IP to the leadership and fine the NEC if they don't hand over passwords, accounts etc

Also someone was asking this earlier but, this is a castizo (white) https://i.4pcdn.org/pol/1499879609682.jpg

https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2019/02/daniel-perez.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=618&h=410&crop=1 mestizo (non white)

https://twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/status/780609871020457984

> OK Trump fans. Keep telling your guy that tonight was a win. And then watch him get cooked alive in November and realize it's all your fault

Matt "The Dissident Right isn't Conservative" Walsh

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/xyj55a/microsoft-clippy-creator-interview-kevin-atteberry

>.>

>Alt_Hype

>Depending on an uneducated sperg for your expert opinion

You see freindo you cannot study the sciences to understand science. Real science comes from YouTubers.

Half his citations are sources that contradict him....

One of them is from an Ethnic studies sociology report another is from a blog 😹

Now he's citing notable geneticist Jarred Taylor. OH thanks for the laugh my guy. I haven't stopped to read one of Hypes "studies" in a long time. It's not nice to laugh at the retarded kid but I'll be damned if it isn't enjoyable....

#DebateNick trending

Alt hype went through his alt right phase, and then felt really betrayed by them <:pepelaugh:544857300179877898>

He's more radical than most people on the Alt Right @Comando

What do you mean betrayed?

*The fuck did you expect kid?* He joined a movement with no leadership and no institution to build a generation who support them...

Betrayed in that the leadership offering... whatever they were pretending to offer, was pretty much the narcasim of the leaders at worst, and unmanifested power at best.

It lead to nothing, and now there's a lul where people are trying to find new leaders... which will likely fall down the route of personality cults(oh the irony), rather than institution building

https://www.theverge.com/2019/11/8/20955760/facebook-whistleblower-name-ban-trump-ukraine-impeachment-harm-rules

> Facebook and YouTube ban naming alleged Trump impeachment whistleblower

I wouldn't worry about it it's not like they will purity spiral again and end up having a major movement dedicated to attacking more mainstream conservatives for not being woke enough or anything.........

https://twitter.com/CUFI/status/1190383043313311744

Not creepy at all: GIANT Greta Thunberg mural to grace downtown San Francisco (PHOTOS) https://www.rt.com/usa/472997-greta-thunberg-mural-sf/

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/11/mexican-officials-vow-seek-justice-slain-mormon-family-191106180823337.html

ppl like alt-hype aren't really that conservative, and people like Fuentes are sort of mixed in that regard

@Monstrous Moonshine also, weren't you the guy making fun of traditional conservatives?

right wing purity spiral

seems a bit hypocritical to make fun of Matt Walsh for agreeing with you, just because you dont like him

welcome to the alt-right

who needs principles

just act like the far left

anyone who doesn't think liberty is paramount is a cuck and a bootlicker

that means alt right

and boomer conservatives

i mean...

the left was all about liberty in the 1970s...

In the end I blame PC education. These people do not know *how* to be conservative because the only version of it they were taught was the leftist caricature of right ideas. We don't hate poor people we want them to become rich people.

and now that level of left is basically centre right

the left brought in liberties and freedoms in the 70s

and now that sort of freedoms is now what Conservatives are trying to conserve

whereas in the 70s, conservatism was to conserve christian fundasmentals

shit moved on

if you think liberty is boomerish and stupid, go live in Rhoanda or something

much more your speed

Incorrect. We want to preserve the older liberty of the constitution. Conservative Christian is a fairly new idea up until recently religion in politics was over denomination and there was no Christian identity as a political movement. Like Kennedy was considered scandalous because he was *Catholic*.

tbh most of our problems in the us come from the paradigm shift after the 50's

bad ideas slipped in under the disguise of a genuinely good cause of liberty

That to some degree is true. The liberals, under the principal of freedom, supported the socialists right to have bad ideas. Then they became infused with those bad ideas.

Like there is a difference between saying "You have a right to your belief" and saying "your beliefs are therefore right"

@Machinimal marxism in the school system

such is the danger of being a free nation

but also progressive social and fiscal policy

personally i think its manageable and worth it to the alternative

history books still say that FDR saved the US from the depression

when he only made it worse

a lot of people have this idea in their heads that the government should, and is able to, fix almost every problem

most on the alt right are basically 1940's progressives

but with a racial spin on things

The progressives were cancer. FDR likely the worst of them, I mean, when they amend the constitution to make sure that nobody ever becomes what you were......

There was no term limit before that. Normal decent Americans just assumed that no president would think he was greater than Washington.

@Coolitic When did we make fun of Trad cons? They are the closest to the Dissident Right among general Conservatives.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Kirk

"Conservatism" of TPUSA and Conservative Inc. is a mix of Classical Liberalism and Neoconservatism

Whereas the Dissident Right is a mix of Paleoconservatives, Reactionaries, Third Positionists etc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactionary

I doubt you even know what NeoCons are. If you did you would recognize that they are closer to the third position than any of those you oppose.

They aren't closer to Third Position lmao

They are rebranded Trotskyites who favor military intervention and LARP as milquetoast Conservatives for votes

McCain would be a good example

You say this because 'NeoCon' in your mind is synonomous with 'Republican I do not like'

Not really

Yes really. The focus on foreign policy is the tell here. NeoCon domestic policy is not far from your own.

They sought to bring authoritarianism under the guise of religion. You seek the same under the guise of nationalism. But really it is just a variation on a theme.

LMAO

Even unto the point of nationalism. I've yet to see your lot defend the nation of Ukraine for instance. Like the NeoCons it is merely a convenient moniker to defend an immoral position.

> Paleoconservatives support restrictions on immigration, decentralization, trade tariffs and protectionism, economic nationalism, isolationism and a return to traditional conservative ideals relating to gender, ethnicity, and race. Paleoconservatism differs from neoconservatism in opposing free trade and promoting Republicanism in the United States. Paleoconservatives see neoconservatives as empire-builders and themselves as defenders of the republic.

Pretty much the opposite

> As with other conservatives, paleoconservatives tend to oppose abortion on demand, oppose LGBTQ rights, oppose welfare, and gay marriage, while supporting handgun ownership.

You should read *Leviathan on the Right* the most extensive critique of NeoCons as an ideology. The similarities between them and the 'dissident right' are alarming.

I'll note here I restricted this critique to the third position and not paleos (who are wrong for different reasons) but you ducked into that anyway.......

FWIW the paleos are wrong because they place culture downstream of politics. Which is also why the PoMos are wrong. The state cannot dictate civil society. And when you pass moralist laws you do not make moral people. You make something worse. You make people deprived of the opportunity to make moral decisions because they only act moraly out of fear of reprisal.

You make moral **cowards**

True

culture is downstream of race

HAHAHAHA. Racially I am German. There are more people in the Wehr phonebook with my last name than in my home town. Culturally I have more in common with a random dude at the 7/11 buying coffe and milk in the morning.

https://www.infowars.com/oops-cbs-terminates-wrong-employee-over-epstein-video-leak/

https://m.facebook.com/usdos/photos/a.467491506073/10156654263951074/?type=3

>gets a day nobody will know about

>liking the taste of your own genitals on another person gets a whole month

https://youtu.be/MLAh_pOGOrc

https://twitter.com/willchamberlain/status/1192804506087690243

Will Chamberlain, the guy who was smearing Fuentes just a few days ago comes out in support of Fuentes against Shapiro

Grift 100

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKHoeOxr3D0

‘Reverse Pol Pot’: Berkeley philosophy lecturer slammed after saying rural Americans made ‘bad life decisions’ & should be SHAMED https://www.rt.com/usa/472995-rural-americans-shamed-berkeley/

Good, fuck the lecturer.

Unintelligent swine, bereft of the knowledge of the methods by which the city-dwellers obtain food in the first place.

I wonder where the lecturer gets his food from...

From the supermarket, you fucking dullard.

You get food from Walmart and electricity from the outlet installed on your wall, you cretin.

That's rude my guy

https://twitter.com/AmbJohnBolton/status/1171443971958034434

Trump just retweeted this

Today is 11/9

And he retweeted stuff about 9/11

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That's a link to Bolton's tweet though.

Show me daddy Twumpu's

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump

It's at the top

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Lel

I thought Trump didn't have access to his account?

xD

French culture ministry official spiked 200 female interviewees’ drinks with diuretics to watch them URINATE https://www.rt.com/news/472974-culture-minister-photographed-women-urinating/

No its to get the beat down on John Bolton testifying against him

dates are just a coincidence

actually thats one of the last tweets he sent

@SilentSkies what's going on with Bolton then?

not sure

@Monstrous Moonshine In countries that are not uncultured, it IS 9.11.

The 'Demolisher Man' is the reality that I was accidentally transported to, you people think it's only a 'B' category movie, but nae'.... This is the proof people, I was never supposed to be teleported ...<:pepelaugh:544857300179877898> 🤡

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m_3Phxf1kAw

Da FuKkk?!

So low

Oh dear..

Well, that's cleve.r Now he cannot sell his music on global markets because that would be foreign influence.

Kanye is a fucking retard. HE doesn't even understand that you need to insinuate possible run, but not announce it, because once you announce something, you are from that point onward tied to campaign financing laws. Put that fucking nigger in jail already.

Fucking dumb cunt too stupid to even protect himself.

He won't give a rats tax-return

But I mean, that he wasn't laughed around in self-replicating people circles from the takeaway to the hall and back to the priv plane

that should tell you how little ppl actually care.

Or that he's better than Uri Geller at captivating his audience and messing with their perception.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWaz7ofl5wQ

Yeah, scary looking... Coming from 'non-political horse' s mouth '

And thy shall learn to cherish block-chain

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gxz65malIQ&feature=youtu.be

>Modern Britain
>Modern cultural marxism
>Marxists not officially in power yet
>Put teenager in prison for touching a girls waist and arm

(Only because he’s white)

Important distinction

enough of internet insanity for today...well actually its real life but fuck me if this isnt blackpilling

People laughed when Ann Coulter first announced she thought Trump would win. Don't knock Kanye. 😉

He probably fucked himself royally by actually announcing his run ahead of time

@Edog I think there have been Sikg girls victimized by the Mudslime rape gangs.

But don't let facts ruin your ethnospegic aspirations.

were these "sikg" girls prosecuted by the police as well? @whiic

and i was mentioning the other white teen dude who got in trouble for touching some chick in the UK

Sikh. But whatever.

I recognized it. just wanted to poke fun

lol

It still think it's primarily being "anti-Islamophobia" rather than being anti-white in UK.

It might be closer to anti-white in USA because they have more minorities and black supremacist movement in USA.

Also, more kikes in USA.

And kike like to play the double ethnicity scam more than anyone.

That said, Britain does have the "BAME" (Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic) concept which means non-white. So Mudslime "Asian" raping Sikh "Asian" is not racist by British standards.

I still reject the idea that to combat blatant racism, whites must all become nazis.

Becoming nazis doesn't solve anything. The last time we tried, we killed lots of white people.

https://amp.businessinsider.com/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-blocking-critics-on-twitter-after-lawsuit-2019-11

She has subsequently begun blocking critics again

Get ready to be bankrupted ya dumb cunt

implying the repubs will do anything

They have been suing her