Message from @Wulfric

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2019-11-09 02:15:22 UTC  

I count like about 20 there? There are 5 million and most of them do not express.

2019-11-09 02:15:52 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/633967610706526210/642547871140413470/Untitled.png

2019-11-09 02:17:29 UTC  

Sure yeah most of the regional variance that actually expresses is immunological. The epidermis is the front line of your body to the environment. Again I do not know why you are posting SNP clusters. You can make them for anything. Paleogeneticists use them to track Etruscans this does not make Etruscan an important biological category.

2019-11-09 02:18:14 UTC  

Paleogenetics is really cool BTW.

2019-11-09 02:18:39 UTC  

The racial groups are clearly biologically distinct from one another

2019-11-09 02:18:52 UTC  

if this was an animal, we would call them subspecies

2019-11-09 02:19:04 UTC  

geologically isolated from one another yet still able to interbreed

2019-11-09 02:19:08 UTC  

NO that's not what that means. You can isolate SNPs that are dominant for Iberians.

2019-11-09 02:19:29 UTC  

of course you can, but these are not just looking at one snp

2019-11-09 02:19:52 UTC  

europeans are much more connected and have much much more overlap with each other than with sub-saharan africans

2019-11-09 02:20:00 UTC  

SNPs, plural.

2019-11-09 02:20:13 UTC  

frankly this denial of the basic reality of race is pretty ridiculous

2019-11-09 02:20:56 UTC  

i remind you here, my argument is simply "race is genetic"

2019-11-09 02:20:56 UTC  

It's not denial of anything. I'm trying to explain some fairly basic genetics here but can't seem to get it past your obsession with race.

2019-11-09 02:21:11 UTC  

but race is the subject lol

2019-11-09 02:21:22 UTC  

you said, saying race=genetics is wrong

2019-11-09 02:21:28 UTC  

what is it then if not genetics?

2019-11-09 02:22:47 UTC  

In the sense that all life on this planet is genetic yes. In the sense that it is a genetically meaningful category no. Now if understanding genetics is immaterial to that topic for you then fine.

2019-11-09 02:23:09 UTC  

ok not everything is genetics

2019-11-09 02:23:14 UTC  

language is not genetics

2019-11-09 02:23:18 UTC  

religion is not genetics

2019-11-09 02:23:23 UTC  

etc

2019-11-09 02:23:26 UTC  

race is genetic

2019-11-09 02:23:52 UTC  

now wether its a "meaningful" category is entirely subjective

2019-11-09 02:24:12 UTC  

By your standard Iberian is a race and so is Hutu going back to an earlier example.

2019-11-09 02:24:28 UTC  

I would not call them races, maybe ethnic groups

2019-11-09 02:24:36 UTC  

part of a larger category called race

2019-11-09 02:24:45 UTC  

part of a larger category called species

2019-11-09 02:24:49 UTC  

etc

2019-11-09 02:25:09 UTC  

just because you can find a smaller sub-category doesn't invalidate the concept of race

2019-11-09 02:25:16 UTC  

you can say the same about a family say

2019-11-09 02:25:42 UTC  

OK then stop using graphs of SNPs then because if that is how you find 'race' Iberian is not a sub-category it is just as much a race as any other. If we are still talking about genetics that is....

2019-11-09 02:26:57 UTC  

Or you are saying that these golden collections of SNPs that happen to align with your pre-genetic unscientific concept of race are magically more significant than other SNPs.

2019-11-09 02:27:41 UTC  

are you saying there is just as much overlap between french and german than between french and somali?

2019-11-09 02:28:55 UTC  

look idk what to say, if you wont concede something as simple and obvious as "race is determined by genetics" then idk that this conversation is going anywhere lol

2019-11-09 02:30:59 UTC  

Neither do I concede something as simple and obvious as "the sun orbits the earth." For, like race, while it is plain for anyone to see nobody who studies the actual science believes it.

2019-11-09 02:33:06 UTC  

comando rn:

2019-11-09 02:33:07 UTC  

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2019-11-09 02:34:49 UTC  

@Wulfric Check this out. Interesting results of expert consensus on race.

2019-11-09 02:38:27 UTC  

The eternal boomer should read this too lol