Message from @Jym

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2019-11-09 02:13:42 UTC  

ignoring the title

2019-11-09 02:13:56 UTC  

the racial clusters are closer to each other than to other racial groups

2019-11-09 02:14:14 UTC  

you could form the circles differently, the edges of the concept are blurry

2019-11-09 02:14:21 UTC  

but race is a real thing

2019-11-09 02:14:43 UTC  

french and germans are closer genetically than to australian aboriginals

2019-11-09 02:14:51 UTC  

Yes you can make SNP clusters. That does not lend them signifigance nor mean they even express.

2019-11-09 02:15:13 UTC  

but they clearly do since black babies do not pop out of chinese vaginas

2019-11-09 02:15:22 UTC  

I count like about 20 there? There are 5 million and most of them do not express.

2019-11-09 02:15:52 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/633967610706526210/642547871140413470/Untitled.png

2019-11-09 02:17:29 UTC  

Sure yeah most of the regional variance that actually expresses is immunological. The epidermis is the front line of your body to the environment. Again I do not know why you are posting SNP clusters. You can make them for anything. Paleogeneticists use them to track Etruscans this does not make Etruscan an important biological category.

2019-11-09 02:18:14 UTC  

Paleogenetics is really cool BTW.

2019-11-09 02:18:39 UTC  

The racial groups are clearly biologically distinct from one another

2019-11-09 02:18:52 UTC  

if this was an animal, we would call them subspecies

2019-11-09 02:19:04 UTC  

geologically isolated from one another yet still able to interbreed

2019-11-09 02:19:08 UTC  

NO that's not what that means. You can isolate SNPs that are dominant for Iberians.

2019-11-09 02:19:29 UTC  

of course you can, but these are not just looking at one snp

2019-11-09 02:19:52 UTC  

europeans are much more connected and have much much more overlap with each other than with sub-saharan africans

2019-11-09 02:20:00 UTC  

SNPs, plural.

2019-11-09 02:20:13 UTC  

frankly this denial of the basic reality of race is pretty ridiculous

2019-11-09 02:20:56 UTC  

i remind you here, my argument is simply "race is genetic"

2019-11-09 02:20:56 UTC  

It's not denial of anything. I'm trying to explain some fairly basic genetics here but can't seem to get it past your obsession with race.

2019-11-09 02:21:11 UTC  

but race is the subject lol

2019-11-09 02:21:22 UTC  

you said, saying race=genetics is wrong

2019-11-09 02:21:28 UTC  

what is it then if not genetics?

2019-11-09 02:22:47 UTC  

In the sense that all life on this planet is genetic yes. In the sense that it is a genetically meaningful category no. Now if understanding genetics is immaterial to that topic for you then fine.

2019-11-09 02:23:09 UTC  

ok not everything is genetics

2019-11-09 02:23:14 UTC  

language is not genetics

2019-11-09 02:23:18 UTC  

religion is not genetics

2019-11-09 02:23:23 UTC  

etc

2019-11-09 02:23:26 UTC  

race is genetic

2019-11-09 02:23:52 UTC  

now wether its a "meaningful" category is entirely subjective

2019-11-09 02:24:12 UTC  

By your standard Iberian is a race and so is Hutu going back to an earlier example.

2019-11-09 02:24:28 UTC  

I would not call them races, maybe ethnic groups

2019-11-09 02:24:36 UTC  

part of a larger category called race

2019-11-09 02:24:45 UTC  

part of a larger category called species

2019-11-09 02:24:49 UTC  

etc

2019-11-09 02:25:09 UTC  

just because you can find a smaller sub-category doesn't invalidate the concept of race

2019-11-09 02:25:16 UTC  

you can say the same about a family say

2019-11-09 02:25:42 UTC  

OK then stop using graphs of SNPs then because if that is how you find 'race' Iberian is not a sub-category it is just as much a race as any other. If we are still talking about genetics that is....

2019-11-09 02:26:57 UTC  

Or you are saying that these golden collections of SNPs that happen to align with your pre-genetic unscientific concept of race are magically more significant than other SNPs.

2019-11-09 02:27:41 UTC  

are you saying there is just as much overlap between french and german than between french and somali?