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2018-07-20 13:24:14 UTC

@Willem Petzer what do you think of this, Peter Hammond is apparently a kinist: https://www.reddit.com/r/Reformed/comments/89pi4a/kinism_as_heresy/

2018-07-20 13:33:34 UTC

what is kinism?

2018-07-20 13:45:13 UTC

The belief that Christians should only marry within their own tribal, ethnic group

2018-07-20 13:45:13 UTC

Ditsem! @Malcolm the Seceder, you just advanced to level 6!

2018-07-20 13:46:08 UTC

you guys up for a debate on this?

2018-07-20 13:46:35 UTC

thanks for the elaboration @Malcolm the Seceder

2018-07-20 13:47:45 UTC

Um, I think it's best to stick to one's own group but I wouldn't make a rule about it.

2018-07-20 13:48:10 UTC

fair stance

2018-07-20 13:49:06 UTC

I think group is more cultural than racial, and those thoughts are pretty default

2018-07-20 14:21:42 UTC

What does the bible say about it?

2018-07-20 14:22:54 UTC

Depends who you ask.

2018-07-20 14:23:17 UTC

I think they use the commands to the Jews not to intermingle as their basis

2018-07-20 14:24:50 UTC

as I said, it seems like a fair default position. but I always think that the reactionary racial thing is _also_ driven by neomarxists hell bent on dividing the enemy(christians).

2018-07-20 14:25:33 UTC

ie let's break off some of the opposition into nazism (racial socialism)

2018-07-20 14:28:35 UTC

Yeah. If someone of an ethnic minority is a true Christian I'm less concerned about intermarriage. But I wouldn't encourage it

2018-07-20 14:29:57 UTC

well, you would if the person was charming and intelligent and hard working and rich and courting your daughter, surely (and a Christian)

2018-07-20 14:30:30 UTC

and legit (ie has family and they are normal)

2018-07-20 14:30:32 UTC

I mean generally

2018-07-20 14:30:35 UTC

not a con man

2018-07-20 14:31:40 UTC

I think in general encouraging anything for or against in the field of marriage for people unrelated to us is impinging on free will

2018-07-20 14:33:53 UTC

Well I doing believe in free will per se

2018-07-20 14:36:03 UTC


2018-07-20 14:39:01 UTC

Nope. But as for marriage I would probably raise my children to value continuing their own people. But as I said an exception here or there doesn't concern me too much

2018-07-20 14:42:29 UTC

I am not cool with multiculturism, i dont see the point of marrying different cultures... Not bothered by race though, I think naturally we go for what is familiar to us, however for some, the relate on different grounds. I think it is important to observe same values and ideas more importantly than appearances.

2018-07-20 14:43:38 UTC

I think I don't believe in free will is an interesting topic for theology, I think a people is cultural, not racial African Americans aren't African I don't see any soapstone or giraffe carving happening in Chicago

2018-07-20 14:44:12 UTC

I think I don't believe in free will is an interesting topic for theology, I think a people is cultural, not racial African Americans aren't African I don't see any soapstone or giraffe carving happening in Chicago

2018-07-20 14:44:33 UTC

I would say no to marrying outwith the faith.

2018-07-20 15:18:15 UTC

But if you breed out the genes that create the impulses that form behaviour which in tern forms the inteplay of behaviour between people which in turn form norms and habits and traditions...then you destroy the very genetic soil out of which a culture grows.

2018-07-20 15:20:02 UTC

I'd say no marrying outside of your race. I can always convince a kinsman about my faith, but I can never make him/her white again.

2018-07-20 15:20:40 UTC

I think culture shapes us biologically, not the other way around... What you imply is a source, I observe as a result

2018-07-20 15:23:39 UTC

This is not a chicken or egg argument. Culture is the collective outward behavioural expression of a population group.

If what you are saying is true, why do non-whites consistently form the bulk of prison populations even when raised or assimilated in other cultures?

2018-07-20 15:25:19 UTC

Abstractions don't create anything. People create abstractions.

2018-07-20 15:27:36 UTC

Because they dont have the right set of ideas, they have never developed and progressed ideologically, hence they never progressed biologically or even technologically. Their inability to even feed themselves properly suffered them malnutrition, which biologically affected and regressed their biological development, like having a high IQ for example... doesnt mean they cant achieve it if they accept the right set of ideas.

2018-07-20 15:29:02 UTC

Where do Ideas come from?

2018-07-20 15:29:02 UTC

Ditsem! @$P!KY\/!k!NG, you just advanced to level 2!

2018-07-20 15:30:28 UTC

They dont come from anywhere lol all ideas are repititions of older ideas, simply updated in a more modern context... Ideas are observed, not created. Ideas are ever present.

2018-07-20 15:33:49 UTC

Peter Hammonds lack of use of the term Kinism, does not necessarily make him free from the doctrine of kinism. What do you make of this?

"I have discussed this matter with numerous pastors, theologians and authors throughout South Africa, in Europe and in America. Almost every one of them has agreed that the social and domestic consequences of interracial and inter-cultural marriages are disastrous. Most also agreed that they believed that such unions were unBiblical. However, only a few were willing to speak out openly against it, from the pulpit, or in counselling. There are a number of fine missions in Africa, experiencing Spiritual Revival, whose founders and directors have told me directly that they never have, and never will, marry people of different races, as they believe that to be sin.

I have many friends of all races. However, to marry across the colour line would be to me to betray my parents and all of our ancestors, and my children and future generations. Most importantly I believe it would be a betrayal to Almighty God, who has set the boundaries between nations."


It seems to me that he identifies ethnicity and culture. These are two separate things.

2018-07-20 15:37:20 UTC

Indeed, one is material the other spiritual... Some lean towards one and another some lean towards the other, while others are balanced between the two.

2018-07-20 15:41:54 UTC

How can an idea be observed if it didn't originate from somewhere? ??

2018-07-20 15:43:18 UTC

The bible is perfectly clear that interracial marriage is a sin and that mongrels are to be rejected and ejected from the volk.

2018-07-20 15:43:19 UTC

because somewhere has to exist within time and space.... ideas dont exist in time and space

2018-07-20 15:43:53 UTC

Where do ideas exist?

2018-07-20 15:47:05 UTC

How can you observe anything that doesn't exist in time or space?

2018-07-20 15:47:12 UTC

Again, "where" assumes a location within time and space. if you are going think strictly in terms of materialism, your interpretations will be prejudiced in favor of materialism.

2018-07-20 15:49:26 UTC

also care to provide some verses for the argument that the bible opposes interracial marriage?

2018-07-20 15:51:46 UTC

@SheamusHow many verses would be sufficient?

2018-07-20 15:52:05 UTC

As many as you can share please?

2018-07-20 15:52:42 UTC

Cool. How can one observe anything that doesn't exist in time and space?

2018-07-20 15:56:13 UTC

instead of seeing, you can observe, and instead of hearing, you can listen. Instead of feeling, you can think. It leads to understanding as opposed to judgement. If you going to judge, you should judge righteous judgement, not on appearances, and appearances being a reference to how something makes you feel, which tends to be pretty shallow reactions, as opposed to in depth responses.

2018-07-20 15:57:41 UTC

How about those verses please? want to look into that

2018-07-20 16:33:39 UTC

How do you observe without your senses???

Deut 23:2
Jos 23:7
Jos 23:12
1 Ki 11:2
Ezr 10:2-18
Ezr 10:44
Neh 13:27
Pro 5:20
Pro 7:5
Pro 22:14
Jud 1:7

2018-07-20 16:35:23 UTC

Daniel also points to the strife at the end times because the nations will become mixed like iron and clay but will not cling to each other.

2018-07-20 16:37:14 UTC

I mean damn the whole book is about bloodlines of Adam. It would make sense that his Creator would want to preserve it.

2018-07-20 16:39:06 UTC

One can also see that when the israelites enter the promised land they are commanded to kill everything of some nations but spare the women of others... the reason should be obvious...

2018-07-20 16:42:34 UTC

Edom/Esau also lost his birthright because he was a racemixer.

2018-07-20 16:44:22 UTC

Yeah I am reading each verse, so far nothing pointing out specific races, but rather focused on cultures really. I can see as a materialist how one can imply it as race, but then how do you reason with verses like "And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;" or "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."....but will read through them all and see if there is anything i missed that might give legitimacy to your material basis.

2018-07-20 16:49:49 UTC

Those are both quotes from Paul (whom I persobally find to be a questionable character). So you have one witness, I gave you many.

"Adam" or man as it is translated was the the father of all the nations of genesis 10. They were all of one race. Many nations. One race. Many cultures. One race.

2018-07-20 16:55:21 UTC

lol of course you would find Paul questionable... His words dont jive with your feelings. Jer 17:9 “The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?”

2018-07-20 17:20:28 UTC

@Sheamus I find him questionable beacause his word dont jive with the rest of scripture if you interpret hom as you do.

2018-07-20 17:20:28 UTC

Ditsem! @$P!KY\/!k!NG, you just advanced to level 3!

2018-07-20 17:21:06 UTC

So then state your case, lets investigate it together.

2018-07-20 17:21:43 UTC

I just did.

2018-07-20 17:22:03 UTC

With the whole bunch of verses I gave you...

2018-07-20 17:23:03 UTC

yeah no, doesnt tell me much about race, just culture, ideology... which is what the literature is founded upon.

2018-07-20 17:24:16 UTC

Deut 23:2 specifically points to mongrels.

2018-07-20 17:24:51 UTC

The book is called "the book of the race of Adam".

2018-07-20 17:27:39 UTC

If it was about culture, why send away the children? You could just raise the children as "jews". Why kill all the people of certain nations and spare the women of others? If it was merely about religious influence, why keep the "strangers" outside of the temple?

2018-07-20 17:28:19 UTC

lol like i said, you can interpret it as material, so you interpret it as inter-race but you could have inter-faith mongrels too you know. really a matter of perspective. Now the fact that you have to reject other parts of the literature just to justify you understanding kinda shows that you dont understand the whole literature, you arent very wholesome. "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;" and "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

2018-07-20 17:32:46 UTC

Point to a single instance in scripture where a mongrel is anything but what it says in plain language- a mongrel lol. There is no such teaching anywhere in the scriptures. I can reject the testimony of a single witness by the very instruction of the scripture itself. I gove you multiple witnesses throughout the text and you reject all of them!!

We call this projection...

2018-07-20 17:35:41 UTC

Oh I forgot the most important one lol the story phineas who slew the racemixer as he was banging the "ousie" 😁

2018-07-20 17:35:42 UTC

Yes, it describes other ideologies, you perceive other races. You have a prejudice towards race, and so your interpretation will be tainted by the subjectivity of your prejudice.

2018-07-20 17:36:48 UTC

Mamzer means a BASTERD a MONGREL. Strange FLESH not strange ideas.

2018-07-20 17:40:36 UTC

thanks, alienate really is a suitable enough word to support the argument.

2018-07-20 17:46:05 UTC

I like mongrel 😂

2018-07-20 17:47:55 UTC

The gnostic texts also had some interesting thoughts on the matter. But I'll have to go dig those out somewhere.

2018-07-20 18:26:41 UTC

Jud 1:11 should rouse some thoughts on the matter as well.

2018-07-20 18:30:08 UTC

“Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.” What is your understanding of those words?

2018-07-20 18:33:47 UTC

Balaam taught racemixing and cain was a bastard and the progenitor of the kenites who were bastards as well.

2018-07-20 18:48:33 UTC

You are just telling me what you think Balaam is, I asked for your interpretation of the whole verse. What is the way of Cain, what is it to run greedily after the error of what you think Balaam is, what is it to be perished in gainsaying of core, what is gainsaying of core even? Give me your full understanding of that verse is what i requested.

2018-07-20 18:59:04 UTC

If you just read the book you would know WHO Balaam was and what he did. I you study the texts you would know WHAT Cain was, who his descendants were and why they are to be destroyed. You kind of remind me of Balaam 😂

2018-07-20 19:03:46 UTC

I am not asking you because I dont know, I am asking you because I want to see how you make sense of that. So you aren't going to reason with me then?

2018-07-20 19:06:39 UTC

You haven't reasoned at all. Why would I?

2018-07-20 19:08:32 UTC

K, keep to your ways then

2018-07-20 19:15:01 UTC

Of course 😂why the hell would I breed out my own genes?!😂😂😂 or condone it at all. Even animals have more sense than that.

2018-07-20 19:18:50 UTC

I never said you had to now did I?

2018-07-20 19:19:36 UTC

Consent is bad enough! 😂

2018-07-20 19:20:16 UTC


2018-07-20 19:28:23 UTC

If I had to choose between a reasonable and faithful christian woman of a different race, or a white degenerate commie snowflake, I would make the reasonable choice, and I don't see how that is such a terrible thing, but as I have stated in my first message, we tend to choose what's more familiar to us. It is reasonable to expect me to choose a white christian woman over a different colored christian, because I would be more familiar with the former than the latter, where in the first example, I would be more familiar with the different racial christian than the snowflake commie. That's my reasoning for what belief I hold, and is consistent with the literature... You can interpret different race if you care to, but I interpret different culture/ideology.

2018-07-20 19:30:57 UTC

If you want to degenerate your seed and be cucked with the snowflake commie because you didnt like the color of another christian, that is your choice, you are free to send your seed to damnation.

2018-07-20 19:39:01 UTC

😂 😂 😂 wait this is gold!!! Did you just define mixing with a white snowflake commie as getting cucked but breeding with a different race is not????!!!!!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂


2018-07-20 19:40:11 UTC

Not that I mix with commie snowflakes regarrdless of race.

2018-07-20 19:40:31 UTC

Of course, you have to subject yourself to their will if you want to have anything to do with them. I dunno if you have noticed, but they dont exactly like Straight White Cis Gendered Christian Men

2018-07-20 19:42:27 UTC

Yes because those evil nazis were mostly straight white christian males...

2018-07-20 19:44:40 UTC

What??? lol, what even?

2018-07-20 19:54:00 UTC

Simple question dude, entertain the idea if you have the capacity to do so... you have two choices, a healthy looking reasonable black christian woman, or a white slutty blue haired wiccan snowflake. You choose which motherland you will continue your seed with. How do you reason and judge righteously between those two options?

2018-07-20 19:55:06 UTC

Do you choose to remain faithful to God, or do you abandon and deny God just to maintain your racial purity?

2018-07-20 19:58:24 UTC

Are these the only two options?

2018-07-20 20:00:36 UTC

Yes, told you to entertain it if you have the capacity to do so

2018-07-20 20:00:44 UTC

@$P!KY\/!k!NG would you describe yourself as a kinist or are you still working it out? Are you a professing Christian?

2018-07-20 20:03:08 UTC

I have a question for you too. Why would a "spiritual mongrel's" children be rejected for 10 generations? The text says even unto 10 generations which implies forever. At the same time, the Egyptian is accepted. Why would that be? Were the Egyptians of the same culture as the Hebrews?

2018-07-20 20:04:14 UTC

I will respond to you after you respond to mine first. No rush

2018-07-20 20:05:18 UTC

@Sheamus It is a completely ridiculous supposition, but I would breed with the blue haired commie. (Since these are presumably the only two women left in the world.)

2018-07-20 20:06:47 UTC

Obviously 😂

2018-07-20 20:07:23 UTC

Thank you, Now I know where your loyalty lies.

2018-07-20 20:10:10 UTC

As to the answer for your question, since you choose the snowflake, your offspring will not know God, and their offspring will not know god, and so forth... Like you , they will learn to reason according to their prejudices and material purist perspective

2018-07-20 20:11:11 UTC

No law against breeding with an unbeliever. The mongrel is lost regardless.

2018-07-20 20:11:46 UTC


2018-07-20 20:12:18 UTC

"No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon."

2018-07-20 20:12:41 UTC

This has nothing to do with money.

2018-07-20 20:12:51 UTC

Weak attempt

2018-07-20 20:13:04 UTC


2018-07-20 20:13:14 UTC


2018-07-20 20:13:21 UTC

You know... mammon

2018-07-20 20:13:37 UTC

Like have you even read the book???

2018-07-20 20:13:45 UTC

Dude, that is a quote... Matthew 6:24

2018-07-20 20:13:58 UTC

Money symbolises material value lol

2018-07-20 20:14:08 UTC

I know its a quote. About the love of money.

2018-07-20 20:14:09 UTC

racial purity is material value

2018-07-20 20:14:28 UTC

Racial purity is obedience to God.

2018-07-20 20:15:13 UTC

whatever dude, look you and I certainly interpret the literature very differently. Let's agree to disagree, and will leave the judgement for the day still to come.

2018-07-20 20:17:15 UTC

You interpret nothing. That's the problem. You have quoted one or two verses from one questionable witness. 😂

2018-07-20 20:19:08 UTC

You haven't even answered my question regarding deut 23

2018-07-20 20:20:19 UTC

What was the question you didnt get an answer to?

2018-07-20 20:22:07 UTC

@Daniel van Straaten I'm a straight white bible reading male who wants to have white babies 😁

2018-07-20 20:22:36 UTC

Race mixing is a crime against humanity

2018-07-20 20:24:36 UTC

@SheamusOh and beastiality is also against God's law so breeding with the blue haired commie is definitely the more obedient option. Plus beastiality is gross dude. Come on 😂

2018-07-20 20:25:29 UTC


2018-07-20 20:26:00 UTC

@DewaldFirst sin ever commited in fact.

2018-07-20 20:26:50 UTC

That is good that you read the Bible. I also prefer my ethnic group but I would not say it is a sin for a person to marry someone of a different ethnic group. That is a man made law.

2018-07-20 20:27:12 UTC

Would you bang a christian dog too or do you just stick to the beasts of the field? 😂

2018-07-20 20:27:43 UTC

Atleast you can convert the blue haired commie if you race mix you destroy something that your ancestors have preserved for centuries

2018-07-20 20:28:15 UTC

@Daniel van Straaten Then you have to answer deut 23. And every other verse I've posted.

2018-07-20 20:29:08 UTC

@DewaldExactly my point. You're literally destroying the image of God by destroying the white race.

2018-07-20 20:30:53 UTC

@Dewald And if she refuses? What are you going to do to spread your seed? Justify rape just to get your seed to spread? Hence the cucked nature of that choice

2018-07-20 20:32:16 UTC

I don't know 🤔 ridiculous suppositions are not something I generally ponder...

2018-07-20 20:32:57 UTC

What if both of them refuse then ?

2018-07-20 20:36:41 UTC

Well the idea to entertain is that you are the one having to make the choice, both are then already interested obviously, say the only two you have a choice of... one wants you to be faithful to God, the other wants you to deny God... Dont try to avoid the objective of determining your loyalty, if you try and wriggle your way out by trying to move the goal posts, you only expose your deceitful nature. Just accept it as it is, if that was the truth, not saying it is, hence i need you to have the capacity to entertain the idea, without having to accept it.

2018-07-20 20:40:00 UTC

@$P!KY\/!k!NG They are part of the ceremonial laws and now abrogated (besides a person from any ethnic group could become a Israelite and marry another Israelite in the old despensation ):

See Westminster Confession of Faith.

III. Beside this law, commonly called moral, God was pleased to give to the people of Israel, as a church under age, ceremonial laws, containing several typical ordinances, partly of worship, prefiguring Christ, His graces, actions, sufferings, and benefits;(d) and partly holding forth divers instructions of moral duties.(e) All which ceremonial laws are now abrogated, under the new testament.(f)

(d) Heb. 9 chap.; Heb. 10:1; Gal. 4:1, 2, 3; Col. 2:17.
(e) I Cor. 5:7; II Cor. 6:17; Jude ver. 23.
(f) Col. 2:14, 16, 17; Dan. 9:27; Eph. 2:15, 16.


2018-07-20 20:40:55 UTC

@SheamusDenying God was never part of the first supposition. You are moving the goalposts christcuck. Stop projecting.

I could in that case just choose neither and still be obedient to God.

2018-07-20 20:43:06 UTC

Of course it was part of the first supposition.

2018-07-20 20:43:09 UTC

Sheamus - Today at 8:44 PM
What??? lol, what even?
Simple question dude, entertain the idea if you have the capacity to do so... you have two choices, a healthy looking reasonable black christian woman, or a white slutty blue haired wiccan snowflake. You choose which motherland you will continue your seed with. How do you reason and judge righteously between those two options?
Do you choose to remain faithful to God, or do you abandon and deny God just to maintain your racial purity?

2018-07-20 20:44:26 UTC

@Daniel van Straaten Don't give two shits about any church's confessions of faith. They stand for nothing as can be clearly seen by the hordes of queers and christcucks like 'ol sheamus here in the pews every sunday (not the actual sabbath by the way).

2018-07-20 20:44:32 UTC

Yes you could choose neither, and that would be a better choice, which is reasonable.

2018-07-20 20:46:14 UTC

@$P!KY\/!k!NG are you a Hebrew roots believer?

2018-07-20 20:46:15 UTC

Like me? What? Is that an ad homonem you are resorting to?

2018-07-20 20:47:10 UTC
2018-07-20 20:47:14 UTC

@$P!KY\/!k!NG everyone have a confession, some are just written down.

2018-07-20 20:48:03 UTC

It is what you believe the bible teach arranged in a systematic way.

2018-07-20 20:48:12 UTC

@Daniel van Straaten Don't care. The whore has many daughters and I don't sleep around 😂

2018-07-20 20:48:58 UTC

Truths logically relate to each other. That is what is a confession is about

2018-07-20 20:49:24 UTC

Do you go to a church?

2018-07-20 20:49:27 UTC

@Sheamus Yeah. Go read the definition of christcuck. That is you.

2018-07-20 20:50:23 UTC

Where do you live @$P!KY\/!k!NG ?

2018-07-20 20:51:35 UTC

@Daniel van Straaten Hell no!! 😂 😂 😂 look at Sheamus there that would stick his penis in some creature as long as it confesses his new age jesus. I WOULD NEVER SUBJECT MYSELF TO SUCH PSYCHOLOGICAL POISON.

2018-07-20 20:51:48 UTC

@Daniel van Straaten South Africa.

2018-07-20 20:52:06 UTC

@$P!KY\/!k!NG refer me to a dictionary that has the definition, doesnt seem like the dictionaruies I have actually contain such a word. Give me your definition so i can know what you mean by it then.

2018-07-20 20:53:26 UTC

Your shame tactics and ad homonems do nothing for me, just so you know.

2018-07-20 20:54:56 UTC

@SheamusI dont have to do a damn thing to you 😂 you'll raise your children to destroy your own bloodline silly goy 😂

2018-07-20 21:00:16 UTC

'miscegenation is a Biblical doctrine' I guess we now know why the church attendance is declining

2018-07-20 21:00:17 UTC

Still waiting for your definition on a christcuck

2018-07-20 21:02:20 UTC

Anyone else that can help with a definition perhaps, i dont think he is going to cooperate

2018-07-20 21:05:00 UTC

@Sheamus You are the definition of christcuck.

2018-07-20 21:05:44 UTC

Best i could find is "Some Christians aren’t happy about cucked members of their flock advocating for the mass relocation of the third world into America. Imagine that!"

2018-07-20 21:08:17 UTC

Dont see how you could define me as that though? I dont support the mass relocation of the third world mindset into the westernworld, I support cultural apartheid as it was, I am nationalistic... Really struggle to understand why you would misrepresent me like that, if you dont know anything about me..

2018-07-20 21:11:24 UTC

By the way, i also dont jump to support the abomination of the queers within the ideology, i dont support gay marriage and gay adoptions etc.

2018-07-20 21:12:33 UTC

If the shoe fits, I will wear it... but you aint offering me anything that is in my size

2018-07-20 21:15:10 UTC

Best i could find is "Some Christians aren’t happy about cucked members of their flock advocating for the mass relocation of the third world into America. Imagine that!"

2018-07-20 21:15:40 UTC

@Sheamus@Sheamus How can you be nationalistic if you condone the literal destruction of your nation???? A nation by its very definition denotes common birth - a population with common birth in the same geographical area.

2018-07-20 21:16:37 UTC

A christcuck is someone who sacrifices his nation's continued existence for the new age jesus.

2018-07-20 21:24:26 UTC

lol, there is material/physical and there is spiritual/ideological nations.... You worship the material and I worship the spiritual. You reason according to the God of this world whom hath blinded the minds of them which believe not. Your loyalty already has been determined on that one.

2018-07-20 21:25:37 UTC

There is no destruction of a nation who serves a common loyalty to the same law... it's the lawlessness that betrays and destroys a nation.

2018-07-20 21:27:38 UTC

Anyways, let it be as it is. I have no problem accepting you as you are, at least now I know who you are. It's been an interestingly engaging evening.

2018-07-20 21:32:19 UTC

@Sheamus A nation by definition is ethnic. Not cultural or legal. Unless you want to redefine the term???? You're right. Lawlessness does destroy nations. And you preach lawlessness against the only Lawgiver that matters by denying His very simple to understand laws 😊

2018-07-20 21:35:45 UTC

nation (nāˈshən)►
n. A relatively large group of people organized under a single, usually independent government; a country.
n. The territory occupied by such a group of people: All across the nation, people are voting their representatives out.
n. The government of a sovereign state.

2018-07-20 21:35:51 UTC

Definition of nationality
plural nationalities
1 : national character
the nationality of Ireland is in her songs and in her stories, and in her chronicles and in her tradition —W. B. Yeats
2 : nationalism 1
3 a : national status; specifically : a legal relationship involving allegiance on the part of an individual and usually protection on the part of the state nationality bestowed by birth
b : membership in a particular nation Vietnamese nationality
4 : political independence or existence as a separate nation
5 a : a people having a common origin, tradition, and language and capable of forming or actually constituting a nation-state The diverse nationalities of the Austro-Hungarian Empire desired independence.
b : an ethnic group constituting one element of a larger unit (such as a nation) The country is home to five nationalities.

2018-07-20 21:37:21 UTC

ethnic (ĕthˈnĭk)►
adj. Of, relating to, or characteristic of a sizable group of people sharing a common and distinctive racial, national, religious, linguistic, or cultural heritage.
adj. Being a member of a particular ethnic group, especially belonging to a national group by heritage or culture but residing outside its national boundaries: ethnic Hungarians living in northern Serbia.
adj. Relating to a people

2018-07-20 21:37:47 UTC

It's not all just about race, race is but a minute factor that determines a nation

2018-07-20 21:38:28 UTC

Anyways, I am out for tonight

2018-07-20 22:09:55 UTC

nation (n.)
c. 1300, from Old French nacion "birth, rank; descendants, relatives; country, homeland" (12c.) and directly from Latin nationem (nominative natio) "birth, origin; breed, stock, kind, species; race of people, tribe," literally "that which has been born," from natus, past participle of nasci "be born" (Old Latin gnasci), from PIE root *gene- "give birth, beget," with derivatives referring to procreation and familial and tribal groups.

Political sense has gradually predominated, but earliest English examples inclined toward the racial meaning "large group of people with common ancestry."

2018-07-20 22:10:48 UTC

Come here with your american english bs

2018-07-20 22:14:18 UTC

@HoppeanSnake_ZA "'miscegenation is a Biblical doctrine' "

The question of who you are allowed to marry as a Christian, is only other Christians of the opposite sex.

2018-07-20 22:17:37 UTC

@Daniel van Straaten Keep your filthy mongrelizing church then joy I'll stick with the last generation of believers.

2018-07-20 22:43:55 UTC

@HoppeanSnake_ZA We will have our day of the rope. Mark my words 😉

2018-07-20 22:53:56 UTC

You are entitled to your French definition, which obviously is more akin to the Hebrew goi. My definition is not that new either, 1484 from the Greek éthnos (from ethō, "forming a custom, culture") – properly, people joined by practicing similar customs or common culture; nation(s).

2018-07-20 22:55:28 UTC

Honestly, you sound more Jewish than Christian, You love the Tree but hate it's fruit... why not just come out and acknowledge it. I can refer you to; starting with Matthew 5, speaking under correction from what was (((heard))), and then Matthew 23 helps give context to why those corrections were necessary to be made.

2018-07-20 22:56:39 UTC

Hence why i am skeptical of your interpretations, and claiming to be Christian.

2018-07-21 05:05:15 UTC

@Sheamus Where are you from?

2018-07-21 05:18:16 UTC

Strong's Concordance
ethnos: a race, a nation, pl. the nations (as distinct from Isr.)
Original Word: ἔθνος, ους, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: ethnos
Phonetic Spelling: (eth'-nos)
Short Definition: a race, people, the Gentiles
Definition: a race, people, nation; the nations, heathen world, Gentiles.

2018-07-21 05:18:32 UTC

Strong's Concordance
ethnos: a race, a nation, pl. the nations (as distinct from Isr.)
Original Word: ἔθνος, ους, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: ethnos
Phonetic Spelling: (eth'-nos)
Short Definition: a race, people, the Gentiles
Definition: a race, people, nation; the nations, heathen world, Gentiles.

2018-07-21 05:19:42 UTC

NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
probably from a prim. root
a race, a nation, pl. the nations (as distinct from Isr.)
NASB Translation
Gentiles (93), nation (30), nations (37), pagans (1), people (2).

2018-07-21 05:20:25 UTC

Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 1484: ἔθνος

ἔθνος, ἔθνους, τό:
1. a multitude (whether of men or of beasts) associated or living together; a company, troop, swarm: ἔθνος ἑταίρων, ἔθνος Ἀχαιων, ἔθνος λαῶν, Homer, Iliad; ἔθνος μελισσαων, 2, 87; μυιαων ἐθνεα, ibid. 469.

2. "a multitude of individuals of the same nature or genus (τό ἔθνος τό θῆλυ ἤ ἀρρεν, Xenophon, oec. 7, 26): πᾶν ἔθνος ἀνθρώπων, the human race, Acts 17:26 (but this seems to belong under the next entry).

3. race, nation: Matthew 21:43; Acts 10:35, etc.; ἔθνος ἐπί ἔθνος, Matthew 24:7; Mark 13:8: οἱ ἄρχοντες, οἱ βασιλεῖς τῶν ἐθνῶν, Matthew 20:25; Luke 22:25; used (in the singular) of the Jewish people, Luke 7:5; Luke 23:2; John 11:48, 50-53; John 18:35; Acts 10:22; Acts 24:2 (), ; .

4. (τά ἔθνη, like הַגויִם in the O. T., foreign nations not worshipping the true God, pagans, Gentiles, (cf. Trench, § xcviii.): Matthew 4:15 (Γαλιλαία τῶν ἐθνῶν), ; (3 John 1:7 R G; cf. Revelation 15:3 G L T Tr WH marginal reading after John 10:7), and very often; in plain contradistinction to the Jews: Romans 3:29; Romans 9:24; (1 Corinthians 1:23 G L T Tr WH): Galatians 2:8, etc.; ὁ λαός (τοῦ Θεοῦ, Jews) καί τά ἔθνη, Luke 2:32; Acts 26:17, 23; Romans 15:10.

5. Paul uses τά ἔθνη even of Gentile Christians: Romans 11:13; Romans 15:27; Romans 16:4; Galatians 2:12 (opposite Galatians 2:13 to οἱ Ἰουδαῖοι, i. e. Jewish Christians), Galatians 2:14; Ephesians 3:1, cf. Ephesians 4:17 (Winers Grammar, § 59, 4 a.; Buttmann, 130 (114)).

2018-07-21 05:21:03 UTC

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
Gentile, heathen
Probably from etho; a race (as of the same habit), i.e. A tribe; specially, a foreign (non-Jewish) one (usually, by implication, pagan) -- Gentile, heathen, nation, people.

2018-07-21 08:17:35 UTC


2018-07-21 09:02:45 UTC

Ah okay.

2018-07-21 16:52:25 UTC

What do you think of this website? https://www.isiphambano.com/

Looks like they are influenced by cultural marxism

2018-07-21 17:11:57 UTC


2018-07-21 17:13:54 UTC

listened to one of the lectures, so far can agree with you... Will listen to some more though

2018-07-21 17:29:08 UTC

Wish people will come to understand that evil comes from good intentions eminating from the heart. The road to hell is paved with good intentions, and the abundance of the heart brings forth evil things. Listening to this, all i hear is they know what's best for us, hardly an attempt to reason about it when they are that woke right.

2018-07-22 15:25:26 UTC


2018-07-22 15:26:31 UTC

Whaaat🤔 😆

2018-07-22 15:29:24 UTC

So ignorance is bliss after all.

2018-07-23 05:14:31 UTC

WTF?!?!? Yes great idea... if the world confuses you, stop thinking?!?! Waaahahahahaha

2018-07-23 13:13:30 UTC

Joyce Meyer is a total fraud

2018-07-23 13:21:28 UTC

@Malcolm the Seceder totally agree.

2018-07-23 13:23:27 UTC

@TruthCanary just another fake out for herself duping all those poor gullible fools. She has no idea what true religion is

2018-07-23 13:24:32 UTC

The amount of heresy and false teaching coming from her over the years is astonishing. Lots of New Age ideas amongst others.

2018-07-23 13:27:21 UTC

And then she says things like "get tattoos, drink whatever you want, do whatever you want because it's just legalism not to"

2018-07-23 13:52:48 UTC

Ditsem! @TruthCanary, you just advanced to level 1!

2018-07-23 13:53:10 UTC

Great testimony from an ex New Ager

2018-07-23 14:21:12 UTC

@TruthCanary thanks will have a look. Do you have Netflix? Are you aware of the Wild Wild Country documentary on the rajneeshees

2018-07-23 15:23:02 UTC

@TruthCanary but people are already worshipping the new age messiah

2018-07-23 15:23:02 UTC

Ditsem! @$P!KY\/!k!NG, you just advanced to level 4!

2018-07-23 15:54:11 UTC

@Malcolm the Seceder do you believe in the theory of evolution?

2018-07-23 15:56:26 UTC

@TruthCanary No. Way.

2018-07-23 16:02:43 UTC
2018-07-23 18:43:44 UTC

@Daniel van Straaten She's excellent. Have you read her Secret Thoughts?

2018-07-23 19:45:12 UTC

@Malcolm the Seceder this is a great group on FB


2018-07-23 19:45:56 UTC

@Daniel van Straaten Hmmm I'm not a Libertarian though

2018-07-23 19:45:57 UTC

Ditsem! @Malcolm the Seceder, you just advanced to level 7!

2018-07-23 19:46:39 UTC

What are you a fan of?

2018-07-23 19:46:50 UTC

How do you define libertarian?

2018-07-23 19:47:48 UTC

Liberal on social issues like drugs, sex, alcohol, smoking, beards

2018-07-23 19:49:54 UTC

Malcolm they are talking english again

2018-07-23 19:57:07 UTC

@Malcolm the Seceder Willem Petzer describes himself as a Paleo Libertarian

I appreciate leaders like Rand and Ron Paul.

2018-07-23 19:58:28 UTC

I would be closer to Pat Buchanan

2018-07-23 19:58:52 UTC

But we're also talking in a religious context. There should be no libertarianism in religion

2018-07-23 19:59:00 UTC

Except where the Bible gives it

2018-07-23 21:29:08 UTC

@Daniel van Straaten What sort of things do you chat about on that forum?

2018-07-23 21:39:42 UTC

Are you on FB? It is focused on the reformed (theological sense) view of politics.

2018-07-23 21:41:05 UTC

The main guys are reformed baptist but some are presbyterian

2018-07-23 21:44:27 UTC

They have a website called reformedlibertarian.com

2018-07-23 21:50:17 UTC

I like Ayn Rand

2018-07-23 21:50:32 UTC

She's a fire breather :)

2018-07-23 22:57:17 UTC

Nope what's the thesis?

2018-07-23 22:59:56 UTC

I like Ayn Rand more because she's so extreme and absolutist not so much her extreme libertarianism

2018-07-24 06:23:24 UTC

Isaiah 40:22
It is he who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them like a tent to dwell in;
Psalm 104:5
He set the earth on its foundations, so that it should never be moved.

2018-07-24 06:56:54 UTC

@Deejay from Earth Poetic speech. Common among the hebrews and kindred folk of their race. Or do you imagine that a snake actually spoke to Eve and that all of Adam kind was doomed to death because she ate a fruit?

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