Tim is a lefty

Crowder can be extremely persuasive with his own use of logic.

In the 8 Values thing I'm a patriotic Centrist

rest is +/- 5%

patriotic centrist?

"Only people who love our country get to fight our government!"

Proselytizing our side is what we need.

I think that's also how I feel

Cernovich's adoption of lefty tactics is useful in the same way espionage is useful.

An army of spies doesn't get you far.

Unless you've got a proper front.

Tbh I see no issue with asking that the left follow the rules they set for others

But you have to make sure you're not just reinforcing their rules

This.

Cernovich is a self-promoting PUA, I don't care what he does

that is called holding them accountable

the problem is not letting them weasel away

If we're only making the left follow their own rules

Then we'll be held to them too

If Cernovich does something that hurts limousine liberals or cuckservatives I'll be happy about it.

That's why we need our own front covering our own principles

Cerno makes it clear why it's fucked up, we convey the alternative with consistency

well yes, you need to stick to your principles, and if one of those principles is being held accountable to your own principles, then you can start holding the left to their own principles while still claiming to follow yours.

To have a gentlemen's agreement you need two gentlemen.

"I believe in your right to say what you want, and i hold myself to that, but if you believe you shouldn't be allowed to say the things you are saying, then you should hold yourself to that standard and censor yourself. I will continue to defend your right to say what you want"

My core principle.

Don't advocate solutions I would not want to be held to.

treat others the way you want to be treated. don't order those under your command to do anything you would not do, etc

"If I were a white male I would want others to tell me how awful my privilege is, and to correct the historical injustices done by my kind by redistributing my wealth and power to the oppressed"

Mine needs better wording for conveyance

But I generally use it for general circumstances.

It's not the wording, it's the metaphysics

I don't advocate targeting based on race or religion

You have an entirely different and incompatible set of first principles.

Lest my race or religion be targeted.

Therefore no matter how you formulate your ideas they will be ineffective against progressives.

Yeah

Progressives control academia, academia controls language

There's the first problem

Quit letting people take language away

Most of the cancerous ideologies come about because someone changed a definition of a word or two.

academia controls language HA

Hell, the negative connotations behind 'liberal' come from people who shunt liberty taking it for their own.

you have never met a southerner apparently

lol

But it holds true for some of the routines like "racism = power + prejudice" "uhh no racism is just prejudice", they tend to win battles like that

"undocumented migrant"

"assault weapon"

"hate speech"

a new one that you'll hear soon is "robust expression"

I'm gonna look up robust expression and be prepared

it'll be used in place of "free speech"

the idea being that even though some speech is banned, what you have left can still be used for "robust expression"

I know its a joke, but that stuff is straight out of 1984 "Newspeak" stuff. Its really hard not to see them using 1984 as a manual.

Here's the kicker, though...

The ones opposing Trump think they're the protagonists in 1984

they don't win these battles because the control academia. Its because they scream the loudest

and the opposition has for too long just ignored them. opting for the "ignore and sometimes say sure" to shut them the hell up

Hillary Clinton wrote in her book she thought the lesson of 1984 was that people didn't listen enough to leaders, the press and experts.

how tf did they take that away?

Maybe to them Winston was the villain of that book.

that is disturbing given that this is the part who claims to be for gay rights

or ironically

but hey, when society raises a whole generation of adult children, what do you expect

I had one guy the other day say that Ted Cruz sounds like the pigs from Animal Farm.

"tell me what to do daddy government, i never learned to think for myself or defend myself. you need to defend me"

@Grenade123 a big part of it is academia though. not anything of academic merit but the fact that they can basically recruit and indoctrinate people from junior high onwards.

In the end Winston becomes an NPC too

they screamed the loudest and were given some shit to shut up

like a bad parent giving a spoiled brat candy to shut up

You can scream louder when academia gives you a platform and Antifa doesn't blockade your events.

and then guide them through their entire careers. it's a pipeline. they pick out promising candidates in high school, give them scholarships and mentorship programs, surround them with like-minded people in university (with tons of extra-curricular activist activities), and fast-track them through certain useful degrees like teaching and law.

not when your platform goes bankrupt and closes

the left are in the process of destroying all institutions they take power in, while alternatives are popping up.

I looked at some of the membership of BAMN and many of their highly placed people were chosen when they were 15-16, and guided all the way to a placement in a law firm.

Something happened where the left stopped policing their own. President Kennedy was very anti-communist, they used to know when they were going to far. The right still polices their extremes the left do not. I blame those who should be policing their side (or at least leaving it).

look at comicsgate, main stream comics are dying while alternatives are rocketing upwards and making bank while delivering good product

Kennedy was the left policing its own. LBJ helped set his death up

Iron Sights is shipping physical copies already.

I am very into the comics stuff. First time in a long time I bought comics.

The shift in the left began when the radicals of the late 60s graduated and worked their way into positions of power. they recruited and trained a second wave, and that's what we're dealing with now.

Have you ever read some of the old stuff of the media and academic apologizing for the ussr its so gross. many of them knew how bad it actually was too.

the proteges of the 60s radicals have been placed or have insinuated themselves into positions of power but all they know is the philosophy of divide and conquer. they have no ideas of their own. they are effectively parasites killing their host.

what old stuff?

The NYT recently (the last few years) ran some articles about how good things were under stalin and mao. I couldn't believe it.

that LGBT student society apologizing for gulags?

saying that they were humane and just and that everyone there was basically receiving therapy.

the what?

the new stuff they titles red century [NYT]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/09/11/soviet-labour-camps-compassionate-educational-institutions-say/

are you kidding me?

even neo nazi don't pretend the death camps were a good thing, they try to deny they happened.

"Paradoxically the thread was written as an apparent justification for an earlier post by the same group which threatened to send a political opponent “to the gulag”."

The fundamental problem here is that post-modernism requires that all people share the same socially constructed reality. People who dissent and insist upon a different reality are invalidating the existence of those who uphold the accepted reality.

that's not very smart

So dissenters must be either fixed or killed.

You must learn to love the party.

Straight out of Orwell.

yeah...i know how that worked

and it was a reality for some people 29 years ago

Think of lucid dreaming. If you know you're dreaming and you're dreaming long enough to get the hang of it you can do anything you want. Anything. Reality bends to your whim. It's pretty fucking awesome.

@Bo_Co By the way, to your earlier questions about denials, Walter Duranty covered the USSR for the new york times and won a pulitzer. The NYT eventually had to apologize for that.

Now imagine if there was another conscious mind sharing that reality who could also bend anything within it to his whim. Including you.

How are you going to treat him? Friend? Indifference? Enemy?

He's the only thing in the universe other than you that can harm you.

Out of simple self-preservation you must either dominate him or destroy him.

That's post-modernism.

>not joining up to double-bully your enemies

Sure, for a time. But in the end there can be only one will.

>I have a gun
>you have a gun
>surely one of us must kill the other
I dont really buy that tbh

That's not a good analogy.

Let's say I'm Ben Shapiro and I say there are only two genders.

In what sense? That it doesn't map to a scenario that has no actual logical structure?

And you're some special snowflake who thinks they're a third (or fourth, or fifty-seventh gender).

If both of our believes actually alter reality, we can't exist simultaneously.

Either our beliefs have to change or we have to change.

Either Ben has to start believing in the 57 genders, or the snowflake conforms to one of the two genders.

Please explain this guys https://youtu.be/N3irid2qUVk

Your analogy fails because my having a gun doesn't mean you don't have a gun.

They actually can, because the two sides aren't using the same concept

Remember now, we're not just talking about words, we're talking about reality.

Further, reality has no basis on belief

Reality is altering with our belief in this scenario. Lucid dreaming.

Yes, and you could have both the leftist concept and the righty concept exist simultaneously, because ultimately the lefty version is meaningless

You're sticking to the modernist metaphysics. I'm using different metaphyiscs.

You have to start thinking outside the modernist box if you want to understand these creatures.

No, I'm saying the leftist narrative is not a necessary contradiction. If anything it's overcategorization

You look at how these people express "genders" and you find that we already have words that describe these concepts in the vast majority of cases

They just map to a binary system

Whereas the narrative suggests they break the system

Ben saying "there are only two genders" is invalidating the existence of the snowflake. It's saying 'the reality you perceive is false'.

No it isn't, when you boil it down to the concepts being described

Would u thonk that men who trans to women did it because they believe women have it better than men in western culture?

Think*

Ben is saying "there are males and females", snowflake is saying " "there are feminine men and masculine women and I'm assigning those separate categories from man and woman"

Where each measurable point in the gradient becomes a category

Thats dumb

Do you know why there are more feminine men now adays

Jesus like those people who categorize dirt

Beemann we're going to keep talking past each other here until you learn to throw away objective reality. Post-modernists do not believe in objective reality. You're approaching this from an extremely modernist mindset and you're not getting it. If I were a post-modernist SJW I would be REEEEEEEing right now.

Its because if a boy in school acts out like a boy they are given drugs for add or adhd

I'm going based on what they argue lol. They're not focusing on biology, but behavioural expression and mindset

Those drugs suppress them and have been known to cause depression down the road

This "you just don't understaaaand man" shit is pretentious lol

I live in lefty territory

Same

No, they're going on pure feeling. You are trying to categorize them based on some set of logical principles.

Categorizing is a form of rational thought that they reject.

Intersectionality is layered categorization

They're identities as meeting points on a chart

We follow the gender, race, religion, sexual orientation etc axes to their meeting point

If you can find one of these morons that stays in their intersectional category pigeonhole for more than 6 months at a stretch I'd be surprised.

Well the issue is that the system is convoluted

It's impossible to follow

You know whats funny, us men and women are tearing each other apart while communism is spreading

There's no system here. Systemizing this will always fail. It's about pure feeling.

Ultimately I'd say it's more accurate to suggest that they're systems *driven* by feeling

Not only is the system convoluted but it's always shifting and changing and being redefined based on the pervading feeling of the social construct.

Humans can't really escape heuristics

Hence why I'm trying to tell you to abandon attempts to rationalize it. The entire movement is anti-rational.

And they can't not categorize
It's how we retain information

Our evolved processes aren't necessarily rational, but they can be rationally explained

You need to learn to at least emulate the post-modernist mindset.

And whats that

I would strongly recommend reading or listening to Explaining Post-modernism by Stephen HIcks.

I would reccomend u read mgtow

Every "learn about post modernist" talk has been "shit I already know: 4h edition"

Mgtow is a meme, and not the solution to the problem

I would reccommend you read "Roadside Picnic"

Im going mgtow either way

Roadside picnic is baller

Add Solaris to that list as well.

Kinda topical really.

I've been recommending Brave New World to people a lot more lately

I find that far too many people know nothing of it

Particularly the utilitarian types

You know whats sad, 70% of military recruits applying are unfit for the minimum amount to pass

Not surprised

Our military is getting fucked too

And u wonder why we have feminized men

I worry about JTF2

Whos going to fight the commies who r coming

The women wont because traditionally they never kill women in wars

Theyre treated as prozes

The commies are going to be internal

Also I sincerely doubt no Israeli Military woman has been killed. Keeping people alive in an armed conflict isn't something you can just do on a whim generally

They dont kill women and children generally

If the women are shooting I bet you anything they'll get killed

Yeah

But do u see tons of women flocking to the military

It won't be a military issue tbh

.-.

I don't even think it'll be a violent conflict issue beyond the soyboy gang wars

Who do you think is going to invade the US? Lol

They'd get yeeted by nukes

Who knows

US will fall from within.

^

^^^^^

That won't be a violent takeover though

Or at least not country wide violence

Would it though

It would have anarchy and fear implemented

No, they'll seize institutional power

Hard to predict. The right is splintered pretty badly. Look at the "just build your own internet" crowd, and the jackasses clutching their pearls eager to toss Kavanaugh to the dogs.

>twitter is the internet now

Left might just be able to seize the country without a shot. Right might cuck out.

Twitter is censored

Twitter was never a good platform

You know its bad when sjws start attacking the internet

Ie linux

It's like the whole point of Twitter was not to take it so seriously what with the character limit, and now everyone takes it super seriously

You know it's funny when they get fucked every time

My point though is that there are big ideological schisms on the right preventing unified response.

Tbh i feel we r heading towards a future thats depicted in that one show handmaids tale

Left can put their disagreements aside and close ranks.

Two years on and there are still vocal never trumpers.

Its kind of funny how past civilizations have warned us about this but we turn a blind eye

Left doesn't close ranks though, they just purge the heretics

U mean people they dont like

You've actually made a mistake already. This isn't a left/right issue

Primarily because the left and right aren't solid concepts. They're arbitrary

Fair enough.

What we have are a number of Marxists in key positions and corporatists thinking they're under control

Back in the 80s and 90s I would've hated the right because of their moral puritanism and authoritarianism.

And then you have neutrals and their opposition

But the "moderate left" as one might describe them, includes a lot of people who are against this shit

The moderate left is still happy to line up to vote for the kind of jackasses enabling it though.

A lot of old school socdems honestly hate the new crowd too

Well because you gave them Trump as an alternative

They had Polished PR Clinton

I don't see what's so bad about that. Build wall, put illegals on the other side of it, fix trade agreements, don't start wars.

For your countrymen who believe in propriety and respect for the office, a thin layer of faux respectability is better than twitter meltdowns on the daily

Which is how they see Trump

Makes them feel good.

We're talking about the sort of crowd that apologises for America when abroad, if they don't just wear our flag to pose as Canadians instead

rofl Canadians get the knife too.

Canadians rely on america, we protect them from russia

ISIS terrorist #1: He has a Canadian flag on his luggage!
ISIS terrorist #2: We're so sorry sir. Forgive our rude behavior.

When did I mention ISIS?

Get out of the cornfield m8

I'm just making a joke dude.

My point is that there's a lot of people who hate Americans specifically

Or are ashamed of America

And not for "freedom" lol

U know i never got into politics until i was redpilled about marriage :/

Also @Deleted User Russia is a meme

That's the marxist indoctrination speaking.

It's not

There are Marxists who don't like the 'States for sure

But I bet there's a lot of people in the areas your Presidents bombed to shit that aren't big fans of y'all either