Only insofar as people see others accumulating wealth and want to parasite off of them without producing anything themselves, and they do so under the threat of violence

How is that the product of financial transaction?

Not financial transaction but financial institutions

Which is a product of transactions

the individual always falls to the well focused collective

Financial institutions such as?

@Arch-Fiend how do i not understand human nature? the person who produces enough to hire people to voluntarily produce for them ins't leeching off of anyone, or taking advantage, unless you're an actual marxist and believes in the theory of value, which has been thoroughly debunked

What is a financial institution?

If you're talking about banks those exist because of the state

but pazuzu every government in history was formed that way

Source?

human history

Banks exist because of people

Source? @Arch-Fiend

There were banks that formed absent actual government presense

The first banks weren't even state sponsored

if you dont care to listen to what someone has to say then you really dont need to be having a conversation with them

The modern banking system exists on the basis of fiat currency

Bank = i have money and i can lend you some, but you have to give me back every month by ??% increase.
also i wont give you more than i'm ready to loose on each person because i dont trust you and if you dont give me back i wont give you anymore and will tell other (banks) not to have business with you

I am reading what you are saying, I am also providing some counter points

I'm listening, but you're making a statement and I want a source for that statement. @Arch-Fiend The thing is that historically, ruling classes were not the merchant class, but rather, the warrior class.

If you need sources for whatever I'm saying, please ask and I'll gladly provide

When i say financial instutitions, i dont mean buildings but rather contracts between people to work for goods or alot trading that one individual alone coulsnt possibly produce

Like 2 people trading with 2 other people

You don't need the state for that

Yeah no state is needed for normal financial exchange

It isn't until the second half of the 19th century that the merchants effectively took over as the leading class in society. Samura to Zibatsu (Spelling?) in Japan,

Or any financial exchange, even for shit like law

People just want it to regulate existing modes of transaction

AskTheRisk i dont know how about your country but in my country some company avoid % you have to pay government by directly selling product to the costumer without company involvement

it doest take cuts if you directly sell to another person but when you start business than government comes in play

Isn't that what the black market ends up being, ultimately?

Not all black markets are bad but they get ugly fast

They get ugly fast because they end up in war with the government

Also because they're a good method of offloading goods gained via non monopolized coercion

pazuzu as you put it, the person who produces enough to hire people to voluntarily produce for them isn't leeching off anyone or taking advantage. thats true, and his children will inherit that system and wealth that he had of hiring people to work for him. but he might exapand his business into something more than agroculture, something like civil protection, metal industrys, and then perhaps an industry that serves both such as weapon manufacturing. and now once he is hiring people to create food, extract metals, create tools, and protect everyone doing the following he could hire and overproduction of people who protect everyone who has all the tools of protection from the tool creators to make war on other people doing the same thing as him in a form of forced consolidation of wealth

its not black market tho

its like, i want something, you buy something but i have not official company

technicly in human history this occured before metal production, it was stone to begin with

Essentially as the markets expands more and more, more regulation will be neccesary

and honestly people were killing eachother for production long before agroculture

A good example is stopping the deplatforming of people on the internet

Why is that necessarily the case?

@My Preferred Pronoun Is Sama like social media

You can't yeet people off the internet, just normie sites

Non normie sites are quarantine sites

But thats a whole another debate

basically, monopoly is bad and it needs to be regulated, and there is a laws to regulate

for most of human existence humans really only saw other humans as dangerous animals that were less dangerous than most other animals when you took them by surprise. if you were part of the ingroup you were human, otherwise you got the same treatment as the wolf did.

well, even now there is low number of people a human can look as a human tho

like you will feel tragedy when you hear that one of your friends die

but you dont give a sht when you hear 25k people died somewhere else

actually were quite soft, and theres an arguement to make that western humans are actually the most tolerent humans on earth when it comes to outgroups

yes tbh i'm in Georgia

Well ima go back to work. This was good stuff.

its middle of Europe and Asia

and here Gays and Trans people are hated

we had some mass murder of trans

and there they complain that bathrooms arent there

asia is not very tolerent of outgroups

I wanted to see where politics and the market meet. I think i got a better image

yeah man, even blacks and other races

tbh people in US are very lucky

also same goes with african countrys and muslim countries

i'm telling you from my experience so you can believe or no

Black country hates white people

Muslims hate LGBT

but asian countries tend to veiw outgroups purely skin deep. who you are doesent matter, what you are is what matters, except middle east where its the exact opposite

you know its weird human nature man

they get really discriminated, they fight back and win

well genetic divergence plays a part

we are all human, but we have begun diverting geneticly from eachother on more than superficial characteristics

i mean, yes but if you arent shoved in the face the racial politics and sex politics we are chill, but when i start to listen to people who do that say "white people are devils" and man are "repists" ect, it just turns you into one 😐

the americas are kinda both undoing that and superfying it. because mixed humans are not the same thing as old humans. so if you blended the americans together into one homogeny they will be a genetic group unique to themselves

Is the constititution regulation?

kind of

its 100% a regulation for the government, tells the government where the line is. for the citizines and businesses its only regulation on specific situations

such as the amendment preventing businesses from denying service

also your right to privacy extends to other citizines

i have a theory about what happening in US.
in US people are so damn privilaged and raised in chocolade that they dont know how bad the world truly is, therefore they tend to focus on issues that are really non-issues...

^

Anyway im clocked back in. Bye ppl

yes but also urbanites

a lot of freedom and privilage is not good for the psychology of the incredibly wealthy and highly population dence

man, i swear those "activists" whats in US wouldnt live 3 days in country like mine...

other countrys manage this with draconian enforcement of morales by the state. so in a place like china you better watch what you say. personally i prefer a middle ground where we can be free and sane at the same time. which means we need to slow our population growth and decentalize ourselves

thats why i dont like Hate speech laws man, i mean you can potentially have monopoly on presidency and become tiranical

just block the opponents using "hate speech laws"

Buffalo wings are the best food ever change my mind

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Doesn't that depend on the wing sauce?

Also if ur colon can handle it

Pizza exists

if "Jon Jones" MMA fighter decides to change gender and say "amma girl now!" can s/he be N1 in whomans fight too?

@DarKinGate are you gonna b the guy who'll try to stop her?

Lol

What do you guys think of Tulsi Gabbard?

I would trade the wall

To drop israel support

How did she get into the ballots as a democrat?

She is alright

She supports stuff like Medicare for all

That's how shes a Democrat

You cant exactly do that in the Republican party

She is bernie 2.0

Though the war stuff is so appealing

I think Trump is already trying to extricate us from Syria.

He is, the Senate disagrees

Can't have those Senate politicians upsetting it's constituents.... The defense industry and not American tax payers.

We have a Congress that expects Americans to die for Israel.

What’s got me interested in Gabbard is the Russia hoax getting lumped in with her

I would never vote for Tulsi but she is the best candidate the Dems have.

Right now it’s between her and the god emperor for me personally

Tusli doesn’t have the same firebrand way about her that Trump does though

The DNC and lying media won't let you have the chance to not vote for Tulsi.

on that note, tulsi running is genious. She's getting them to use up all their ammunition on her now, so that she can run again with no surprises.

Uh, run how? Independent?

no, she's running for the Democrats

along with 75% of all Democratic politicians

@Grenade123 Surprisingly the Democrats were better than the Republicans in agreeing with trump in leaving syria

Only 3 Republicans voted against the condemnation

And the person who made it is idiot McConnell

"We have a Congress that expects Americans to die for Israel."
Would say this is a minor reason, bigger reasons are Russia gaining influence, Kurds dying, Iran etc

@devpav

I don't think the US is in Syria for the Kurds lol

The kurds are our greatest allies

The group aligned with literal socialists?

The socialists are our greatest ally

Im wondering how long till we avoid saying doing stuff for israel

The anti boycott stuff is like wtf

Syria is just more ME fuckery

Its turned out the same as the others minus yeeting the leader and creating a power vacuum

Do you guys think that rape is justified for abortions?

what?

One thing I would disagree with Tim on in his interview with Joe. He said "It's not a conspiracy, it's just like-minded people who are only ever around eachother, sharing the same things among eachother, believing all the same things, and so you'll notice certain words emerge among specific groups."

That's a distinction without a difference, no?

Hive minds

It happens everywhere such as in comment sections
@Sylva

TYT's comment sections are an anti trump hive mind

While say Tim's is pro trump

>the kurds are our greatest allies

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Sure they helped against ISIS

But greatest? Wut

anyone who says that probably doesnt know much about the syrian conflict

to say nothing of the middle east as a whole or their conflict with turkey

I think he was being sarcastic though

Perhaps

the kurds are the only horse without a backer, thats why were on their side

There were also on the front lines against ISIS

so was assad and the FSA

The CIA supported the fsa

There is no way Obama would have supported assad

Before they became isis yes

The CIA supported fsa till trump stopped it in 2017

They did airstrike the Al Qaeda parts of the fsa before 2017

Good thing they got rid of AQ, a massive islamist anti US force in syria wouldve sucked

They still do it now

Most of the rebels are still jihadists

And they are all holed up in idlib

Maybe in the Turkish conquered areas too

There are no "moderate" rebels in syria there are just anti american islamists and anti assad islamists

There used to be moderate rebels

Turkey is likely propping up the FSA with material

Apparently I heard that assad released lots of jihadists in 2011-2012 to discredit the opposition

Could be false or true, truth in war is muddled

Those claims were made by a lawyer who was imprisoned by assad's government

There is additional information from unnamed sources but it is conflicting on the dates and times

The main question is why would assad strengthen the power of his opponents prior to the start of a civil war?

Yea

I found this
https://libertarianinstitute.org/articles/assad-deliberately-release-islamist-prisoners-militarize-radicalize-syrian-uprising/

They furthermore claim that Assad's government directly armed these extremists

Dont trust this 100% but I guess it's a good read

TLDR the claims cant be independently verified

Holy hell that article is long

Yes, but thankfully most of it is spent repeating the same points

assad released a large number of prisoners as part of negotiations with the opposition

some of those were islamist extermists

some were members of the brotherhood

and i assume some were assorted political prisoners/actual criminals

It has become very popular among the media to view dicators as idiots whose primary goal in life is slaughtering their own citizens

I think this theory is an off shoot of that mindset

Not to say that assad is above killing, torturing or imprisoning people to keep his regime alive

But like the gas attacks, the presented theory does not make logical sense from the point of view of the supposed perpetrator

And with the gas attacks there is evidence that the rebels/ISIS have chemical weapons

Anyways Syria is quite calm other than constant skirmishes between Syrian govt and rebels

And Kurds killing isis

Syria is apparently going to deploy their S300 air defenses soon

Which means that they could shoot down Israeli planes

israel shouldnt try anything once that happens

They know the stakes and with the US pulling out theyll lose most of their bravado

I was being sarcastic lol. Just the israel treatment is bizzare. Even the far left hates them as well, and im not talking about the pro louise farrakhan types, in talking about tankies

Israel is our greatest ally has been used unironically by some politicians

I stand with Israel

Tim said that he likes talking about foreign policy, any super fan out there that could direct me to a good video so I could get a basic idea of where he is coming from?

geopolitics is my jam

On what subject?

Like what country or issues?

tldr tim is anti interventionist

aka no boots on the ground, no toppling of foreign governments via cover or open warfare, no kicking in doors at night in foreign countries to haul away suspected terrorists and no propaganda efforts in other countries

He is generally supportive of foreign aid

I dont think theres a specific video for it although tim has long said he will eventually make one outlining all of his personnel views

ah gotcha thankyou very much ❤

But if you check out any geo political story hell mention his stance at some point

would be interested to see that video if he ever summarizes his opinions

UN, ISO, WTO, SCO, NATO, Trade blocs and other intergovernmental agreements; International central banking financial institutions like the BIS and the FSB and their roles in global economic policies. 4GW 4th gen warfare and the pros and cons of tech warfare and the current proxy wars. SLOC sea lines of communication and containerization seaport trade. Multipolar world debates, his opinions on meetings like Davos and the G20. Intelligence organization groups like 5 eyes and what should intelligence agencies role be in todays information age. Multinational corporations and their regulation, Global black markets, Internet regulation, World Nuclear policies, Private Military Companies, Global resource management systems, UN security Council reform. International mining contentions and globalization in general. Washington vs Beijing consensus, that kinda shit. Just his overall current state of the world and his opinions on the GFS.

Ok I see people saying that USA could just print money to pay for the green new deal, how is that bad?

Good Question, one that would require a crystal ball to answer

The USA has the USD, the largest world reserve currency atm, you could potentially print trillions of new money and pay for large scale infrastructure projects that are introduced in the Green New Deal... but international commodity markets are more fragile then you would expect, and pumping that kind of new money in may ripple out causing major problems.

1 word: hyper-inflation

can the worlds largest reserve currency really hyper inflate though? I'm not so sure, it may be possible

Yes, the USD can hyper-inflate but before that it will loose it status as de facto reserve currency

but given the USD's special privilege we certainly have more flexibility then other central banks

that Is why I say it may be possible

Economic policies i cant answer but I can say that 4th gen warfare does what new warfare methods always do: upset the status quo

This combined with the shift toward a multi polar world means that the world is barreling towards a new generation of conflicts

http://data.imf.org/regular.aspx?key=41175 the US is not so strong a reserve currency as it used to be.

Sporadic proxy wars fought on the cold wars killing fields and on the streets of every first world nation

Best case scenario it stops there

Worst case the nations fracture and the major powers switch over to autonomous armies

I recommend Samuel Huntingtons book Clash of civilizations

Print enough of anything fast enough and anything can hyper-inflate--including physical reserve currencies. (Thought experiment, if the USD was gold-backed and then someone discovered a way to turn the oceans into gold for fractions of a penny, what would happen to the value of the USD).

Technically, we might not get hyperinflation, rather heavy rapid inflation that causes the KMT to replace the USD as the reserve currency and would bankrupt the US.

Now, you probably could make the argument that a rapid sudden increase in the US money supply would shatter the world banking system first and *someone* would take the excuse to wage a larger war.

Still, goes back the the original point. You can't just print a bunch of money without serious damaging consequences, so this "the fed runs the printing press and pays for the GND" isn't realistic.

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Actually, this opens a nice little conspiracy theory. Remember how Subscribestar somehow managed to get back into business? Subscribestar is Russian. And Russia doesn't want either side of the culture war wiped out...

You cannot print value. Money is just paper. Actually it's less than that, it's numbers in banking systems. Changing the amount of money doesn't change the underlining value. When you suddenly flood the market with money, people quickly buy the things they couldn't before, quickly making them rare, causing their price to rise until everything reaches the new medium so you can once again determine how much money equals x underlying value.

valid points

Just to be sure, when you use the term “print money” you do not limit it to physical paper money but also allow for expansive digital holdings by increased bond and T-bill listings on the exchanges? @pratel

yes

Gotcha

The culture war has been a long time coming

with the closing of a single conservative bank account all of them stand under the same threat I dont see anyway that this can end without bloodshed

Depends if people notice.

And how far it escalates. The idea is to slice people off slowly.

Also depends if he can easily switch banks

For now, atleast.

No one will notice and no one will care

Who gives a shit if one asshole got his bank account close, did you hear what trump did this week?

These celebrities are getting married and these ones are fighting

It's concerning one bank can do it, but if another bank accepts him in short order, and doesn't fold shortly there after, then it's a stink to raise with that bank

How long do you think it will be before that new bank folds to the same pressure as the last?

It is also possible that the bank had no choice, and it was an underlying credit network applying pressure

If that is the case then he effectively no longer has an account

the same pressure will be applied to whatever bank he opens an account at

It all depends on who pressured them and why.

Assuming it wasn't him mismanaging an account

the free market of ideas is essential! and taking away someone's source of income is horrible imo

were not talking about their source of income

were talking about his savings and checking account

Gundealers and manufacturers have been removed from the a good portion of the banking system for about a year now. So far they've fallen back on local credit unions and the kinds of banks that used to loan to the porn industry.

oh wow, that is dirty

tbh, most people should fall back to local credit unions