I honestly think 1 is stronger than 2

Accusing people engaging in the meme as "dehumanizing others" is a way to give a pass towards virtually any kind of action against them

IMO neither the Russian Bot thing nor the NPC thing are dehumanizing at all

I've yet to see any actual evidence the intent of the NPC meme is to dehumanize

I don't think any of them are dehumanizing tbh

but

It's pretty much just a conspiracy theory

THEY are, they entirely are saying that NPC is dehumanizing

They're attacks on sincerity

And I don't see how it's different from usual smears of "automaton" or "sheep"

and it is no different saying an account isn't "Human"

leftists can't take criticism

and that is really the conversation people should be having

because this is how the left has worked for decades.

"You are just a racist/bigot/russian bot/troll/altright/sexist

ect

No, I know that

I worry sometimes, though, that I feel like I can never get into their heads

So I try from time ot time

well

the russian bot thing is an attempt to just dismiss one side of an argument. the NPC meme is designed to criticize a lack of original thought.

it isn't about getting it into their heads, they are a cult..we argue to convince the sane undecided folks.

@Grenade123 I thin kthere a re differences, but at bottom both are really about the claims of one side or the other being insincere

not really

In one case as propaganda, in the other as groupthink

does that mean they are insincere?

you could say they both are designed to criticize lack of original thought maybe

@ryuplaneswalker I worry sometimes that this way of thinking promotes division

All signs, from my viewpoint, point in that direction

That is, the cult-like aspect

But I almost feel like I understand actual cults better

Like, I can put myself into the position of a cult member and kind of understand why they end up where they do

Well the alt left is a cult.

Division is an important part of human identity.

It's just where we stress the importantce of different divides that can cause harm.

The Alt Left is just the Religious Right that replaces god with Social Justice.

As a member of the religious right, I take umbrage.

@Grenade123 I'd say groupthink is insincere in that the implication is that if the herd changes so do your thoughts

eh

Like, _you_ don't actually believe those things yourself

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i think the problem is that people DO believe it

The npc meme?

they just don't know why

By not reasoning through their beliefs, they are not being effective people, so it is definitely a harsh criticism.

there are religious people who don't know why they believe, they just do. I do not doubt their sincerity in their statements on the matter

You mean like when they chant but will shrink when given the licrophone

Hm, I see

even if i believe, to an extent, their belief stems from the same herd/groupthink/indoctrination stuff

if that makes sense

I think this is a semantic difference

Sure, they're sincere, but they're also not thinking critically.

100% semantic

I think religious people are sincere in that, normally, they ground something in faith or some kind of experience they've had, etc

These may be flimsy ground, sometimes flexible, but it has a base somewhere

Or they trust someone. Like a pastor or relligious leader

Eventually you've just hit an axiom

Yeah, I'd class that as faith @GingaBomber

I think in relligion trust is a larger factor than faith

You grow up with christian parents that treat you well. So you trust them based on the factor you consider most prominent

Groupthink, though, is more...vacuous than that

If you were exposed to the better side of relligion, it should be normal if that person is more positively predisposed to relligion

It's like the axiom is "others are right"

But its not the same as following the hheard

I agree, @GingaBomber

IT can sometimes be

There are absolutely religious people who _are_ just "groupthinking"

You can argue that in politics its similar. Instead of pastors you have politicians.

Typically, those people's commitments wither when their social setting changes

Id also argue that for some instead its fear

I mean, it's a lot of things

But I do notice that disposition in my more progressive friends

Well.. I am sure in group think ostracism is a thing when one deviates to far

It's as if they place the kind of trust religious folk do in their leaders, but in media/"experts" generally instead

Like progressives with non progressive friends either lose them or become less progressive

Anyone here got an achived link of this: https://i.imgur.com/Fhqzlx7.png

Damn, wont embed

Still,like you said the regressive left is similar to a very large cult

Is thsi the shooter?

Legit sounds like 4chan /Pol/tard

Yes, but I am looking for an embedded link of it

Idk

Archived

I meant Archived link

Earlier fom td I heard they scrubbing his shit

Id check on td in a bit. Or the chans

Who needs information and posterity, right?

@GingaBomber I still worry that I can't get into their heads, though

Cant let the trump voters are antisemites narrative die

The feeling I get is as if there's actually a large body of presumptions that differ

The strat is to go after the undecideds

i agree

By discussing with the extremists

Oh, believe me. I rarely speak with anyone about anything of consequence without running into a clash of axioms.

I'm not necessarily trying to convince extremists

I'm of the opinion that you solve problems by truly understanding their nature

I have opinions on the nature of this particular problem, but never feel as if I _understand_ it

I see, that makes sense

i agree

@Bookworm I'm familiar with that, but usually I can pinpoint them and understand their appeal to the other person

Honestly theres people who leave the understanding to another

Even if I don't find it appealing myself, or have other experience/opinions that lead me to reject it

Its like the ones who say socialism is good because they trust their teachers

i agree

Not because they studied it to understand the nuances of the system

Which id argue is the essence of the npc meme

So Sayoc is in prison for being too close-minded and being so stupid he sent bombs that didn’t even work to public figures

i actually agree

Is that the supposed magabomber?

@Xombii Rubin? Is that you?

I respect your approach, velvitonator, it's similar to Daryl Davis, the black man who befriends the KKK.

Also to Robert deniro because he’s a bad actor

Just some random looser somehow intelligent

i totally agree

The problem, I think, is that Daryl has way more in common with the KKK than I think you have with the far left.

Lol

He does more than I ever could

Daryl is a nice person and enjoys things normal people like

Music, beer and bbqs

i literally agree

Pol is just as much of a box as anything else

I argue you only turn away hate by being better and caring.

Just keep it inside

If they refuse just dont interact.

And well the cognitive dissonance will do its work

if i agree with everything no one can argue me right?

Now the problem is most kkk members are just.. members. They dont usually make it their own identity

Daryl's stories on that front are really interesting

Its not like the lgbt thta make being gay their entire thing

agreed

If they make hate speech a law, will they charge people who have done hate speech before it was illegal? Now I know you can’t be charged for crimes that were committed before the law. But will they go that far?

if i agree with everything no one can argue me right?

I know of the one where he supposedly got a grand dragon to speak positively of him at a meeting

I know a couple

I was surprised by how "default" it was for most members

Well if you agree with what someone else said you might get lunged at someone else who doesn’t agree to either of you

Like, they'd just never considered they might be wrong

if i agree with everyone tho

no one will argue me right?

Then people won’t like you for sitting on the fence

Was there ever a shooting by a kkk member?

Uhh

The civil war

Oh, there has to have been.

Fair

No, that was before the KKK.

It wasn’t before ghosts tho

But none recently that I know of.

Im talking like a proper mass shooting close to now

i definitely agree

Id imagine they have their share. Daryls approach worked

I believe some of these guys might be in the KKK if they got the chance

I dont thin k the kkk would accept them

I think for the past while they've stuck to the peaceful protest sort of thing

Who’s the guy who did “thelastrhodesian” website?

Could be wrong, though

I wouldn't be surprised at a racially-motivated killing here or there

Yeah he looks like a creep, anyone with that haircut is bad news. Also, he’s the kind of person who wouldn’t back up the apartheid or say that it got better over the years. I like Rhodesia for its stable pride and being able to lead out of perceived racism. Pol sees white ran country and they get hard.

I guess thats what vetting people does. It takes little to be a leftist nutjob

Daryl I think also has the advantage of being a living counterexample that's hard to deny

Daryls just a nice guy.

With the left I feel like, I dunno, there's this conspiracy angle to it

So even if you look like you're a nice guy

You're probably deep down not

And maybe it's all a ploy

To be honest isl see the right as well. Like to the right theres no good muslim

Cause taqquiyah

They're at least consistent about this, e.g. the tweet from Tim about the guy himself being sexist somehow

Like dont get me wrong I am not a fan of muslims

Sometimes I wonder if it isn't all just projection

Just yell at them until they change their mind <:NPC:500042527231967262>

Its likely that

Like they call trump supporters violent.

When they were being violent ever since occupy wall street

<:NPC:500042527231967262>

True

I need to make dinner, bbl

i agree

speaking of dinner im surprised how passable arbys greek gyros are

buy them now for only 2 for $5

Tell them you advertised for them, see if you can get a discount.

We need J. Jonah Jameson to give us the facts

why didn't they bring in j.k. simmons for the PS4 spider-man game

Was going to remind Tim that the left does not want equality but he fixed the name of his video

how many leftists are upset at token from south park

the only black kid in town but also the richest

Oh token black

yeah

Hes just too normal

Not exactly a stereotype, so no clips of him doing funny shit on fb

So they never hear of him

he does funny stuff when they play up black stereotypes

like being able to play bass with zero effort

or the only kid at school to laugh at tyler perry every time

Doesn't Cartman kind of represent a typical leftist when he interacts with Token?

Theres the issue, all those stereotypes are not familiar to the average leftist

he shot token when standing his ground

Thye only know the negative ones

but there was that period of the "token's life matters" shirt

Ah that one im not familiar

season 20

recently he got on token's case because he couldn't understand why he never watched black panther

Probbaly just a stereotype on the white saviour complex

From what I hear, simpsons making fun of generally positive traits of indians pisses leftists off, but I also heard indians loved the character

Like that speedy gonzales cartoon, apparently that cartoon was popular in mexico. Apparently people can laugh at jokes at their won expense.

yeah WB tried taking speedy gonzales out of their line-up but reinstated them when mexicans got furious

I like the cartoon as well. Never touched simpsons.

But I do see clips of apu. And.. honestly nothig comes off as bad.

Like the american indian guy from king of the hill

Cartman is a parody of the people who will do anything to get power/cause others harm

If being a Nazi is how he gets to bully someone then he will be a Nazi

if using Social Justice is how he gets to do it..he will do that.

thats sounds pretty jew

So you're a jew?

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can't win

and thus begins the end of the Simpsons

it's a mercy killing

eventually Patty or Selma will come out as trans..ant hey will hire a new Trans actor to voice the character.

and Springer will die..

They could have won by simply saying that this was all "Much Apu about nothing", and then ignoring the mob.

and get repalced by a black guy

>complain about a character being a negative potryal
>company removes it
NOO YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO PAY US TO FIX THE PROBLEM REEEEEE

Someone needs to get a #CancelSimpsons hashtag trending. I think that's something we can all now get behind.

Social Justice has turned into McCarthyism. I can't stress this enough.

We'll be lucky if that's all it ever is.

McArthurism would be able to fix that 😉

And like McCarythism, Social Justice will die a painful death. Alone, and forgotten.

We can only hope.

Maybe, or maybe this is what the pagans felt like when Christianity swept over Europe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43LCg8F2T4k

wow.

Man, I used to really like G-gundam.

One day, your posterity will be fixed, McCarthy.

Never considered how *particularly* over the top that series was in the moment.

Dear lord.

G Gundam was and is incredible.

still over the top.

It has a FUCKING MUSTACHE

¡Ay, caramba!

that serves absolutely no practical purpose.

But I guess it gives a +2 to intimidation.

It's... it's literally called Tequila gundam.