eh

Like, _you_ don't actually believe those things yourself

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i think the problem is that people DO believe it

The npc meme?

they just don't know why

By not reasoning through their beliefs, they are not being effective people, so it is definitely a harsh criticism.

there are religious people who don't know why they believe, they just do. I do not doubt their sincerity in their statements on the matter

You mean like when they chant but will shrink when given the licrophone

Hm, I see

even if i believe, to an extent, their belief stems from the same herd/groupthink/indoctrination stuff

if that makes sense

I think this is a semantic difference

Sure, they're sincere, but they're also not thinking critically.

100% semantic

I think religious people are sincere in that, normally, they ground something in faith or some kind of experience they've had, etc

These may be flimsy ground, sometimes flexible, but it has a base somewhere

Or they trust someone. Like a pastor or relligious leader

Eventually you've just hit an axiom

Yeah, I'd class that as faith @GingaBomber

I think in relligion trust is a larger factor than faith

You grow up with christian parents that treat you well. So you trust them based on the factor you consider most prominent

Groupthink, though, is more...vacuous than that

If you were exposed to the better side of relligion, it should be normal if that person is more positively predisposed to relligion

It's like the axiom is "others are right"

But its not the same as following the hheard

I agree, @GingaBomber

IT can sometimes be

There are absolutely religious people who _are_ just "groupthinking"

You can argue that in politics its similar. Instead of pastors you have politicians.

Typically, those people's commitments wither when their social setting changes

Id also argue that for some instead its fear

I mean, it's a lot of things

But I do notice that disposition in my more progressive friends

Well.. I am sure in group think ostracism is a thing when one deviates to far

It's as if they place the kind of trust religious folk do in their leaders, but in media/"experts" generally instead

Like progressives with non progressive friends either lose them or become less progressive

Anyone here got an achived link of this: https://i.imgur.com/Fhqzlx7.png

Damn, wont embed

Still,like you said the regressive left is similar to a very large cult