Message from @GingaBomber
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@ryuplaneswalker I worry sometimes that this way of thinking promotes division
All signs, from my viewpoint, point in that direction
That is, the cult-like aspect
But I almost feel like I understand actual cults better
Like, I can put myself into the position of a cult member and kind of understand why they end up where they do
Well the alt left is a cult.
Division is an important part of human identity.
It's just where we stress the importantce of different divides that can cause harm.
The Alt Left is just the Religious Right that replaces god with Social Justice.
As a member of the religious right, I take umbrage.
@Grenade123 I'd say groupthink is insincere in that the implication is that if the herd changes so do your thoughts
eh
Like, _you_ don't actually believe those things yourself
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i think the problem is that people DO believe it
The npc meme?
they just don't know why
By not reasoning through their beliefs, they are not being effective people, so it is definitely a harsh criticism.
there are religious people who don't know why they believe, they just do. I do not doubt their sincerity in their statements on the matter
Hm, I see
even if i believe, to an extent, their belief stems from the same herd/groupthink/indoctrination stuff
if that makes sense
I think this is a semantic difference
Sure, they're sincere, but they're also not thinking critically.
100% semantic
I think religious people are sincere in that, normally, they ground something in faith or some kind of experience they've had, etc
These may be flimsy ground, sometimes flexible, but it has a base somewhere
Or they trust someone. Like a pastor or relligious leader
Eventually you've just hit an axiom
Yeah, I'd class that as faith @GingaBomber
I think in relligion trust is a larger factor than faith
You grow up with christian parents that treat you well. So you trust them based on the factor you consider most prominent
Groupthink, though, is more...vacuous than that
If you were exposed to the better side of relligion, it should be normal if that person is more positively predisposed to relligion
It's like the axiom is "others are right"
But its not the same as following the hheard
I agree, @GingaBomber
IT can sometimes be
There are absolutely religious people who _are_ just "groupthinking"