Wow! He was a ticking time bomb.

@♤amanda well, at least a heart that had run out of time.

The 4 officers will sit for trial together: https://mncourts.gov/mncourtsgov/media/High-Profile-Cases/27-CR-20-12646/27-CR-20-12646_Order-Granting-Motion.pdf

If you were representing, I'd that how you would have it?

No I think it is a loss for the defense. It is really hard to point fingers at someone else when they are in the courtroom pointing fingers right back at you!

Does the american system carry the habit of co-defendants council acting as prosecutors to shift blame?

I think defense attorneys forget the burden being on the prosecution therefore if the burden wasn’t met there should be no need to use alternative suspects as defense strategy

Local criminal observations in the small rural areas of VA

It is common here, which is why I ask.

As a forensic witness you can sometimes experience more aggressive examination by other party defense trying to incriminate another defendant than from prosecution.

But, one should mention as a layman one could get the impression that compared to the American system our justice system is in many ways in the dark ages.

@Doc where?

Norway

@realz

cool 👋

cold and wet, yes.

(we are contaminating the room, its is about the floyd case).

ha I meant it in the "that's interesting" sense

When is Powell going to start her litigation

I don't think Michigan has anything to do with Floyd?

Floyd overdest on fentanyl.

and fentanyl is produced in Michigan?

My point is the war on drugs is an exacerbating factor in police violence.

Brianna Taylor no not knock warrant, drugs.

ah!

excellent point. I stand corrected.

@Doc https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/bjpsych-advances/article/beginning-of-the-end-of-prohibition-the-politics-of-drug-addiction/60E4954299297C87D5197844670AFB50#

brianna taylor was a no knock warrant but they knocked

why

dunno why they did

probably wouldve gone a lot smoother if they didnt

It wasn't a no-knock warrant when they were there.

It had been downgraded.

from what i understand judge granted a no knock and they knocked anyway

any source on the warrant being downgraded?

Kentucky's AG.

yeah im just seeing a lot of things saying it was not executed as a no knock warrant

Do you really think that officers would just decide "Hey I'm going to knock instead for this no-knock warrant?" I mean, I'm using Occam's razor here.

Or do you think they were told to knock and announce?

i am going off of what is being reported and what the officers own statements are

not speculation

I mean, pretty sure Mattingly said exactly what I just said.

Jus saying.

`"The warrant for Taylor’s home was secured as a “no-knock” warrant, which allows police to enter a home without announcing themselves. Mattingly said in his recorded statement to investigators, however, that he and his team were told to knock on the door and announce themselves."` https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIri7Xq0cVQ

so

they were issued a no knock warrant

being told is not changing the warrant

I mean, if you want to get into that level of semantic argument.

im not the one being semantic lol

since you decided that my statement was wrong even though it wasnt

Yes, because they were told to knock. I didn't exactly say you were wrong, I was attempting to further clarify.

Because your statement left out context, hence why I followed it up. I didn't say your facts were wrong.

yes but your context was incorrect, or half correct, and then you said i was being semantic

when i was just providing context for your context

Not really?

the warrant being downgraded

That's a matter of perspective I suppose.

That is true.

we are talking about legal proceedings so semantics are important

😛

It was downgraded. If it weren't, they'd not have knocked and announced.

And they'd not have been ordered/told to knock and announce.

who did the ordering?

I'm guessing one of their superiors, as these things usually go.

only a judge would have the authority to change a warrant right?

im not saying they werent ordered to do knock and announce

but

i dont believe the warrant itself was changed

This is where we'll get into a semantics argument between literal and figurative.

well

lets stick with literal

We both know the judge didn't issue a change in the warrant.

ok

so the warrant wasnt changed, they were ordered to knock and announce

Which in my opinion is a downgraded warrant.

so we can pin the culpability for that on whoever did the ordering

Eh? I still think the culpability resides with whomever ordered the original warrant.

Unless we're trying to guess 'what would have been' if they were to execute it as a no-knock warrant.

i am not a fan of no knock warrants

Oh, I hate them.

They're anti-American.

but i would say in this case there would probably be less dead people

If executed as a no-knock?

yeah

of course if no warrant was issued there would be no dead people as well

You could certainly argue that, but I have a feeling he kept his gun close to him at all times.

Why were people not protesting before George Floyd?

Remember, they have to clear rooms, it would take a bit to reach the opposite end of the hall to overwhelm him.

@nainani there have been

but they were more localized

not widespread

Breonna Taylor happened before Floyd IIRC.

March? I think? May?

Why did the media decide to report and spread this news during a pandemic?

It's mostly about the media and what they decide to put on the front page so people can know about things. Why weren't people spreading news beforehand?

has the media ever not reported things to gin up tensions and create maximum outrage?

@ImNotGas, you just advanced to level 17!