Trump does not actually think he won or that there was fraud. He knows by doing this he keeps his base (cult) right behind him ready to do his bidding and follow him.

I’m not that sure he does believe that, but it’s a minor issue

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/15456870.2016.1184664

If he truly believes there was fraud to the extent that he won "bigly" then he is more mentally warped than I even I thought.

I disagree. Trump gained on his numbers everywhere apart from these swing states. A mixture of the stand alone complex and very poor vote checks have cost him this election.

"An interweaving of all key themes suggests that young voters use aspirational identification and attachment to a celebrity to negotiate political messages." It's not about the democratic process, it is about branding.

If you are selling an image, you stay in character.

I get he is a man child who never got told "no" his entire life. I get that his narcissism makes it hard for him to believe that he actually lost the election.

So whether he believe is or not is not terrible relevant. He is still screaming 4 years later that he actually won the popular vote in 2016, that he had the largest inaugural crowd in history, and that God parted the clouds on that raining day at his inauguration when he walked to the podium.

And THIS is the guy that we think will accept the results of signature matching (which is not an exact scientist and leading experts can disagree)

I mean... come on

That is not the product he is selling, no.

It would be Jeremy Clarkson on a bicycle.

No, 31 lol

If one wants to understand Trumpism, one has to understand the silent political revolution of the early 2000s.

The shift from ideology to idol.

You analyse the popualtion, and their tendencies, and you find a person able to cater to a significant segment of them.

Repeating what the focus group determines is the "Popular opinion".

Not to mention.... his cult members.
Go back pre-election and watch news clips of his supporters being interviewed about if they will trust the results if he loses:

I saw hundreds of interviews where they said that if he lost it would be rigged, but if he won then it was "perfect."

No one said "Well, we will have to see if there is anything suspicious". Nope, they flat out let us know that they will go into it thinking a loss for Trump equals fraud. A win for Trump equals perfect.

The anarchist archetype "Dont tell me what to do - I hate the government - leave me alone" proliferated through the 2010s. Trump was carefully created to sell a product to this group.

Based on their collective profile.

This archetype is unable to trust advice from health professionals, there is no reason they should trust an election. The Trump(c) mirrors this.

And this is a point that lots of people gloss over. The Democrats got their ass handed to them in Senate and House races and in State races.

I come from a very Republican family. I live in a very Republican State and masses of those Republics voted for Biden because of CoVid and that first Debate.

This is why I think Trump would have slaughtered Bernie. I really do... Which is exactly why he tried so hard in his campaign to tie Biden to Bernie.

@JD~Jordan I rather suggest they voted "not-Trump" than Biden.

Sounds accurate.

It's the one situation when you want a mr.Nobody to sell your product, its when the opponent has alienated more than half of the crowd buying.

The best time to sell a KIA is when the Mercedes dealer across the street insists on insulting 3 out of 4 customers entering his lot.

At the end of the day I do think Trump is shitty person but all I care about is not going to war. The past 4 years have been great .The previous 8 years of Biden in office was a shit show of insurgency .

@mattiegk, you just advanced to level 2!

at this point I think you have the choice between a war and a world of multinational companies replacing the role of countries.

Im not sure which one I like less.

Lobotomy?

@blaisenguns, you just advanced to level 3!

https://youtu.be/pyoqRmk1iG0

Cognitive bias is eliminated by schooling.

Another one?

Yeah... you are correct. They voted not FOR Biden but checked his name as a vote AGAINST Trump. Which would not have happened with Bernie or Hilliary.

Heck... even that little old widowed lady that her dead husband got accused of voting in Georgia said that:

They asked her how she voted and she said first said "Biden - well not as much for him but against the other guys (meaning Trump)"

People are missing the fact that masses of old school Republicans not only didnt vote for Trump but wanted him out so bad they held their nose and voted for Biden.

@AdamS if you want to laugh. She looks drunk

lol Now I’ll definitely tune in. Thank god for right side reporting. Thanks for the link.

@JD~Jordan I suggest those who created Trump(r), knew this in advance. You cant drain the swamp, but you can easily alienate more than half the population going through a presidency insulting everyone. Im not sure the product had 8 year warranty. I rather suggest they needed it for 4 years.

People skilled in this kind of analysis, rarely miscalculate.

@MatiLuc did you see her prior testimonies? It feels like a dramatic shift in story. Like a folktale with one teller in rapid speed?

give me one good reason for Trump to drop the lawsuits and concede and I'll give you 170 million why he shouldn't https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/30/us/politics/trump-campaign-donations.html

@Dedkraken i saw her interview in lou D..Fox

That's crazy meglide

@Dedkraken yes is in the donations small prints

Is seemed like when she was on lou dobbs her story was she saw some remediation taken on ballots with problems but didnt know how the machine worked and she saw a mysterious van the contents of which she couldnt see.

Fast forward to what on Earth?

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-usa-election-trump-fundraising-insigh/donations-under-8k-to-trump-election-defense-instead-go-to-president-rnc-idUKKBN27R30B

Yes that their star witness

Im not so sure. I have always felt that Trump was more a symptom than the problem itself.

Having said that he gave lots of people the cover to act on their worst impulses.

Most of the donations from average Americans (during a pandemic) are going to the campaign, makes me sick.

Is this “witness” for real? I haven’t seen her previous testimony. Wtf

They have alot of Debts... they can pay some with that

@AdamS her previous one she was talking normal.. more calm.. i can see the difference from this one

https://youtu.be/uOwbJqPlXHI

Are these witnesses open to litigation from dominion?

@AdamS Maybe they will make an example of one of them..

@JD~Jordan I will not agree that any form of human is a problem - unless we see humanity as a problem for the planet. That said, I do agree. Trump(r) is a product sold. The reason that product has a market is not due to the product. The producers simply filled a void in the US, like UKIP filled one in the UK.

If we want to know how this demand for hostility in politics came from, we have to analyse contemporary psychological development. That must be an apolitical and unbiased discussion, or one only arrives at the opinions one had before the analysis starts.

One would hope. I mean otherwise it would set a precedence, where “court of public opinion” hearings will be normal.

I watched her previous one and she was not more calm... she got into an argument with one Senators

@JD~Jordan I suggest such an analysis should start with mapping out degrees of alienation and atomiziation for different age groups and socioeconomical cohorts.

I find it rather naive and dangerous to not recognize that some human behavior is detrimental to the whole

ELECTION OFFICIALS’ MANUAL Michigan Bureau of Elections Chapter 11, Updated October 2020

CHAPTER 11 ELECTION DAY ISSUES

https://www.michigan.gov/documents/sos/XI_Election_Day_Issues_266009_7.pdf

Well, I am of that opinion. Humans are sometimes aggressive, even murderous. It is as much part of human nature and therefore fluctuations in its manifestation, as is love and reproduction. That is a product of years of study and a massive chunck of cynicism. I hardly think myself naive, @JD~Jordan

I just observe that genocide is where humans originated. And they tend to follow that path sometimes.

I didn't say you were. I said that the position of not recognizing some human behavior is detrimental to society.

I really find it hard to believe this is an issue that needs debating.

I think it does, if one wants to understand Trumpism. It is clearly an aggressive response. If you are against human aggression, I would say understanding it is that much harder.

Suppression of women in some cultures is the norm but its clearly detrimental, and not just to the women in that culture, as an example.

Define detrimental?

just so I understand what you mean.

(Not beneficial)

Not beneficial for who?

the women? Probably.

I saw that one coming and I really am naive

Or "tending to cause harm"

tending to cause harm.
"moving her could have a detrimental effect on her health"

Probably? are you serious?

harm is part of existence. In fact, according to Strindberg all existence on this planet causes harm.

@JD~Jordan I am.

@JD~Jordan Being a slave seems to have its benefits. Most humans will submit in a hierarchy for this reason. Autonomy scares them.

might actually be beneficial to women, if society is at war and women are suppressed from joining in combat fewer of them get killed

Thus: probably.

Probably should take a poll with the women and see if they think it’s detrimental.

ok... wow. Not gonna waste my time further with that issue. Women get murdered for being raped in some places. And its accepted.

LGBT individuals get tossed into cages that are then lowered into a lake to drown.

But sure... that isn't detrimental at all

you muck be fucking joking

@JD~Jordan Note that the spartans killed everything that seemed weak, and they lasted longer than most empires.

This all depends on what you see as subjective "good":

@Doc I can’t tell if you are just very successful trolling JD or if you are serious. Lol

If you moral compass is so rusted as to not recognize those examples of APPROVED behavior as detrimental then I really do no see the point in discussing it further

@yetiCodes No, I am serious. Im just not normative. Something people are very not used to.

Okay, it’s an abrasive perspective. Lol

Its a ridiculous perspective

@JD~Jordan I observe most morals as a way to stabilize the present hierarchy.

and immoral

@JD~Jordan true. Beyond good and evil usually entails an instrumental view on morals.

Ooohhh morality is a fun talk.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WNBD2C2_nSs

I think you like to act like you are more intelligent and "enlightened" than others all the while making ridiculous statements

@JD~Jordan But you might be right. It is hard to have a discussion across cultural lines when the abyss between them is too deep. I agree.

Ok. Thanks for the chat @Doc

@JD~Jordan I will let you keep that view. It is fine with me. Have a nice day. 🙂