I hate to break it to you but that is a sign of getting old. The exactly the same things was said by our (well mine) parents.

True, It's just an insight (or opinion) that has a great correlation with getting old...

I'm being a bit facetious, the social media and internet overall has made a great change to society in many ways. If it wasn't for social media we would not talk about Trump, QAnon conspiracies or anything like that.

I hve no idea

That I'm abot?

couldn't agree more

The problem is that there is presently no separation between journalism and opinions, there has always been an intermingling but now it is blatantly disregarded.

true

In my opinion the basic problem is that most people does not seem to accept that there is no grand plan. They, well enough people, need a feeling of control and when there is no they turn to talking heads or conspiracies to create that illusion.

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But and that is a big but (and I like big buts...), we need a place for opinions. There are a trend though that people are less and less understanding the difference. Many newspapers are having this problem and are experiencing that the readers are not making any distinctions between editorials and news. The newspapers are responding to this by trying to make the distinction clearer, fox new is not.

Could not agree more

But that is really hard fore even the best of us

They have a much better separation that fox news that's for sure

Here we start having problems, because if that is your stance there is no remotely objective news reporting. Everything becomes a mudslinging race. If you see the "alternative media", they are for sure not reliable at all so what do we got?

But your are making it too easy for your self when you are saying all mainstream media. There are huge differences between how and what they reporting

You are very right that the alternative media is mainly opinion, but the problem is that they are pushing it as facts

(by very right, I mean that it concurres with my opinion)

It truly is but mixing in alternativ media into it makes it harder not easier do distinguish what the underlying facts really are.

But still, we are not having too few opinions, we are having problems establishing the underlying facts.

If you see the attempts made it does not look good.

I have seen a couple attempt on patreon but it's really really hard to make that a sustainable model.

that one legislator out of 90 is ready to blatantly violate the state constitution is not really a cause for concern

I don't get this argument, there is a papertrail, who cares if the machines are compromised?

No you go to vote, get a paper receipt , and drop that in a basket. How is that garbage in garbage our?

Well then you have the actual ballots. A paper trail

For that scheme to work there has to be a really grand conspiracy on the level that has never been seen before

"Ballots were the voter can’t be identified mass produced by fraudsters in the back room of the counting House?" is that not a conspiracy on a grand level?

why you have a paper trail

I don't care if you vote for the queen of England. If you bring up Hillary's emails you are making a laughing stock out of yourself.

what has that to do with the Domino paper trail?

How is "lock her up" going? Soooo if 2 years of a republican congress did not do anything why do you think there are a massive case?

Yes, because the republican doj pressured them?

No, if you have the time: https://openargs.com/oa13-hillary-clintons-damned-emails/

If corse a system with physical security is more secure.

I'm a bit confused. You are saying that the secretary of state sold state secrets to the highest bidder?

You're obviously much better at summarizing than I am.

yeah right..... As 2 years of republican congress (that really really really did not like hillary) could not come up with one way to fix this? If this is the case then voting for republicans must be really really dumb, they must be very incompetent.

And how is this relevant to the issue at hand?

I thought this was about election fraud and Dominion voting machines, not some debunked, age old, conspiracy theory

r/donaldtrump at reddit? That is not a shitshow at all...

Perhaps not, but the alleged way is a massive fraud.

You should probably talk to someone. This does not seem healthy

No, "those in DC" are not scared of trump. He's been a fairly inept president considering he had both senate and house for 2 years and has mostly ruled by executive orders.

The thing is that it is much easier to ruin a thing than build it up. And Trump has been ruining things and not building

True, but that was in the nick of time...

True, the government is as good or bad as people are willing to invest in it. If people distance themselves from the government and does not involve themself into the process we'll get a government that disregards the common people.

The problem is that most people does not seem to understand that the government must deal with conflicting interests. Group A has a valid claim that is in conflict with the valid claim of group B. How do we solve that? We do that by rules and regulations, and always then someone suggests "getting rid of all redtape" it's most often a very ignorant person that does not understand the issue at hand. And that is what trump has done, in a very tonedeath manner he's slashing regulation that is put there for a reason over time.

But this, as well as the Hillary thing, is wayyyy out of scope for the discussion at hand.

They are both very competent and really crappy at the same time.

We are still talking about a couple of 100s people involved,that is massive

https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/poll-watcher-qualifications.aspx

The thing is that if you look at other us elections the levels of voter fraud is very very small. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-us-canada-53353404

So someone would need to set up an entire new organisation for this and perpetrate this without no one spilling the beans.

This is Bond villain level.

And this requires a high level of absentee ballots. That this election would have a high level of absentee ballots was not known before February. So not only did they do this in secret but also in record time

Without any trace, digital or anything

And if you know anything about the modern world; it should be that we all leave traces all the time.

I’m not an expert in organising large amounts of people but in my experience doing it quickly is not done that easy

Doing it quickly without a huge amount of communication is very very impressive, to say the least

But I guess all this communication is on either Hillary’s server or Biden’s computer

I wouldn’t mind conspiring with Venezuela if that meant going there

Did they all go there in a Kick off meeting?

That would have been nice

Sorry

Regardless, what you are saying requires organisation on a massive scale.

We don’t a priori know what states that is going to be that close so you would need to do it in many states to be sure

That would suck for sure.

He must have a big ass basement

The thing is that it is not a genuine argument. It’s only to spread insecurity and doubts about the election. Then this is all over and everything is sorted out and investigated, nobody cares; they only remember the doubt that was put there. If voter fraud is so important to you , did you read the report regarding alleged voter fraud from the last election?

And people say that he is sleepy joe? With an organisational skill like this he’ll be the most competent president ever

They say older people sleep less but I did not think that it meant “not sleep at all”

They’ll look at it like we do in The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

He has no reason to stop. I agree 100%. I think though that the grift is not preplanned and a lucky coincidence

I’m thinking that they are neither. Many things are just lucky coincidences, I don’t think that the trump grift was planned but turned out good for him and I’m fairly certain that neither Biden nor Obama was responsible for covid

Because the purpose of these lawsuits is not to find out if there was any voter/election fraud. The purpose is to cast doubt on the election. Trump and all his crones whined about voter fraud during the last election, but was very silent when there was no evidence of it

And I'm sorry to say but it's workning, watch fox news

Ok, you are agreeing that Trump claimed voter fraud during the 2016 election?

Yes/No

To be honset I don't think he would have had a chance at all 2016. There would have been socialism socialism socialism, and that's a scary word

Well we'll never know

I mean he's quite up my ally, he's a policy geek and that's something I cherish

But in a way is Hillary but god she's booring

"Socialism for the rich and capitalism for the poor"

She's the very definition of an insider

No one can say that Biden is an outsider....

Well I got to work.....

You are always welcome

Any thoughts about Joe's basement?

I'm fairly certain that Trump would have won if it was not for Covid. (well strongly belive)

Natural disasters tends to favour the sitting president

I agree, a small note, the law firms left because they realised that this might get them disbarred and that is nothing they want to be a part of...

But it should just not be done by the GOVERNMENT

Doing that is a bit harder than it sounds, or actually it's really really hard.

And to add to this, William Barr, hardly a left leaning activist (I think he forgot to pay his dues to Antifa), have accepted that there was no widespread election/voter fraud.

Especially when there was accusations of voter fraud then as well

The downside is that Durham is going to continue with this shitshow for a couple of years

They had too much fun in Joe's basement, too much weed

Sorry but what the f is this? I’m on a mobile and it hard to read.

Well, they are failing everywhere so I don’t get stupid