The law not being black and white is literally why we have lawyers and not computers just processing people.

That is because you do not believe people are equal before the law. You want a legal system of prejudice that holds it is ok for black people to commit murder but it is not ok for yellow people to commit murder.

Because very rarely are to separate crimes the same.

No.

Yes

It's because I think there are many different degrees of violations of the law.

That is not in dispute. Ceteris paribus, the violation of the law is the violation of the law no matter who violates that law.

only if their mental states are also identical, there are 2 elemnts to any crime, the same unlawful (injurious) action can be done accidentally, knowingly or intentionally, in English parlance "negligent" Reckless or intentional. In the extreme case of injury which is to kill, it is the difference between Accidental Killing (no prison sentence), Knowingly killing, Manslaughter (5 yrs inside), or intentional (murder) life imprisonment

Mental state is irrelevant if their mental capacity is equal. Murdering someone because you love them is still murder. Murdering someone because you hate them is still murder. A motive must exist, what that motive is does not matter. The action is what qualifies the breaking of the law.

No one's mental capacity is equal.

untrue.

If you wish to play that game you will never be able to do math again.

If you try to bring up the 0.1% as the rule and not the exception, people are going to shake their heads at you.

mental state IS the difference between murder, manslaughter, accidental killing, and justifiable killing !

No. You are arguing, that because 1 + 1 ≠ 2, then persons should never beheld to the same standard of performance for their actions.

... no?

Yes, that is what you are arguing.

No?

And @ReclaimTheLaw planning the deliberate commission of a murder is not a mental state. it is a mental action.

the same standard is "reasonable" but that which is reasonable is differentin each case , , , I can say no more

Accidental homicide is not a thing. Negligent homicide is a thing.

What is reasonable depends on crucial contexts you seem to want to ignore for whatever reason.

What..?

Tree falls down in front of the highway, you unfortunately have less than 250 milliseconds to react, you roll your car and hit a pedestrian. This is completely, 100%, out of your control.

I didn't use eithe r of those terms . . . I am from UK so there is some difference in parlance, but the principles of "accidental", "kknowingly" or "intentionally" are common to all Common Law jurisdictions

@ReclaimTheLaw, you just advanced to level 4!

Where the cases have the same elements they are equal. Ceteris paribus requires that the same act is illegal or legal in both cases. (I hate my keyboard right now. It double spaces and doesn't space at random, backspaces and wont at random. Making this very difficult, lol)

lol, I need a new keyboard too.

Know that feel.

@Maw Then it is a justifiable action, not an accidental one.

get a mechanical keyboard

How is that negligent?

pricey but they are hard to break

unless you are prone to spills

It is a mechanical key board. I need a key puller so I can clean the contacts.

It is not negligent. It is justifiable.

my keyboard is the same !

Negligent is when you knew the risk existed and acted without caring about the consequences. Where you don't know the risk exists cannot assess that risk it is justifiable.

There are no accidents and no coincidences, as a general rule.

I have a magegee mechanical keyboard, red gaming, bluekey.

negligent is without knowing, criminal negligence is when you didnt know but should have known (strict liability), reckless is knowingly, and intentinoally is with intent

Roughly parallel language.

Again, laws are written by lawyers to be accurate not comprehensible. Otherwise, everyone would practice law.

it would be good to be able to talk rather than text !

lol

For sure.

is there a voice room on this server ?

I'll see if I can't get faith to reinstate the VC when she's around again.

Yeah, but in a forum this big that becomes problematic (hate that word).

there are non problematic uses of the word problematic

We would need a lot more channels.

A LOT more channels.

maybe channels limited to 5 people each

I've also brought that up with her.

and have a few

so its more for actual discussion instead of howling at the moon

Again, still getting discord all set up, as I don't have authority to do that stuff, I have to bring it up to Faith first.

And she's a busy woman.

isn't it a Full Moon about now ? ?

yeah luckily i havent mauled any joggers tonight

with or without intent !

Doesn't look too bright outside over here, but yeah.

Well tried to invite you to mine but failed to figure it out.

obviously a werewolf would be without intent

negligent though

since they did not restrain themselves

@RobertGrulerEsq sure looks like they counted the human readable portion in GA by hand and got the same numbers as the machine got reading the QR codes think that invalidates Powell's theory that the QR code is different than the human readable printout https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/13/us/georgia-recount-presidential-election.html

when is trump taking the election to the supreme court?

Before the election.

The supreme court doesnt want a slice of whatever this is supposed to be

A huge dump sandwhich?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7tZmFfc73Y&feature=share

Hey, Leonard!

Theres random audits of the ballots also meglide. She doesnt seem to explain how a QR code being different than the printed hand recount info wouldnt be caught.

https://youtu.be/pnRY5SF5WCk

Trump does not make that decision. The Supreme Court is a court of Certiorari so they are not required to take any case that is submitted to them.

The case in PA has gone as far as it can in the courts system in the federal system, short of the Supreme Court. So Trump could request the Supreme court review the lower court's decisions. The Supreme Court can take up the case and hear it. But they don't have to do so. If you have ever heard the phrase "Cert denied" it means that they Supreme Court declined hearing the case and the ruling of the lower court stands.

I believe that they won’t grant cert. this has been a shitshow on an epic scale and they don’t want to touch it with a 10 feet pole.

all the trump campaign needs to do is get a look at the ballots. Forget all the other remedies for now. They are all digital why cant we have them all released . That and an independent signature check and he wins.

I think that you are a bit optimistic

really? i mean start in Georgia , IF there are loads of suspect ballots and dodgy signatures it gives credibility to the other claims and we can look deeper.

And by “a bit” I mean “not a snowballs chance in hell”

That is a big if, a humongous big

Releasing all the scans of all the ballots will either show the claims of fraud are just that and we can move on or it will show some serious problems that can then be acted on and looked into.

And they have not been successful so far. What you are forgetting is that they can say anything outside of the courtroom, so trusting what they says, and show, in press conferences is a bit gullible. It’s what they shows in the courtroom is what matters and so far they have not been convincing

I find it suspect when in 2018 when spending 150m on dominion machines the Governor promises to release all the scans after the election. Fast forward to now and he wont..
Why is that.

@mattiegk, you just advanced to level 1!

But who cares. They have no intention to overturn the election anyway.

Their aim is just to spread doubts so they can undermine the democratic process

And to grift

Never let a good grifting moment to go to waste

simple solution for the Dems and the Government is to give baby his bottle. allow indepenant sigiture check and release all the ballots. instead they are doing everything they can to stop the curtain being lifted.

The press conference yesterday was clearly a telltale

But it does not matter. They don’t care.

Thats my point we dont need any of this . We just need the historical 2% failure rate for mail in ballots to be applied.

They have no intention, what so ever , to disprove the election. They just want to spread doubts

THat may be the Rhinos and GOP in general but surely not Trumps intention

Especially trump

Is interested in spreading doubts

Im following this for the UK so the only skin i have in this is not watching the US go World police again and send millions of refugees into Europe.

Do you really think that is a simple solution?

First, its not even a simple process.

Second, and more importantly, TRUMP WILL NEVER CONCEDE regardless of what a hand recount and signatures matched by experts.

He has no basis to scream fraud, right now. What makes you think that will stop him?