Orthodoxy invented a lot of post hoc anti thomist theology to justify schism

Which is the filioque

funny, Orthodoxy used to benefit from it when it was Catholic

Reconciliation is only one, which is submission to the Catholic Church. Anything else is a farce.

I’m aware

But they’ll never agree to it

Probably not on the whole, especially before Catholicism retakes politics power. Orthodoxy is easy to control with politics, be it Poland, the Sultan or Stalin.

The Orthodox don't like the filioque because they think it creates a subordinate role for the Holy Spirit, which in their view breaks the unity of the Trinity. I've been trying to come up with a good argument to counter that claim, but the EO are more mystery focused, making it difficult to formulate a convincing rational argument.

Most Eastern rite Catholics are Ukrainian, descending from those who converted during Polish rule.

True

Economic and political power play a major role in shaping that

Mystery focused is a fun way of saying bad at high level theology 😂

Economics drives everything else

The Ukrainians have their own issues concerning the Faith

Would it be wrong to honour Tsar Nicholas? He was a martyr after all

He was an occultist

And an adulter

Killed because of his political power

In no way is he a martyr

I've never seen evidence of those first two.

Pretty sure those were rumors to discredit him

That I find hard to believe. He was definitely killed for political power

By Jewish bolsheviks

Yes, that is tangible

He was not killed for his faith, which is kind of the point of martyrdom

wasn't he at best just a bad ruler?

Yeah, I wouldn’t call him a martyr

Considering how well Rasputin was in good relations with many of the royal family I see no reason to find it implausible

He's a martyr in the orthodox church, just pointing that out

No no no, I'm saying I've never seen evidence of him being an occultist or adulterer. He was definitely murdered by kikes.

He was also a terrible ruler

His wife might've been the adulteress, in that case

I was agreeing with you Caedes. I knew what you meant

his wife seemed a bit whacky with all the rasputin stuff

And because Rasputin was in with some of the family doesn’t mean he was in with all of them

I should think anyway

Ctzarist Russia was in fact a terrible place to live in

Pretty sure it was other families that actually wanted Rasputin dead

The czarina being a degenerate would make sense. She was raised a German prot.

Yes but that's a strawman there, no one's talking about living conditions

And agreed there Caedes