Killed because of his political power

In no way is he a martyr

I've never seen evidence of those first two.

Pretty sure those were rumors to discredit him

That I find hard to believe. He was definitely killed for political power

By Jewish bolsheviks

Yes, that is tangible

He was not killed for his faith, which is kind of the point of martyrdom

wasn't he at best just a bad ruler?

Yeah, I wouldn’t call him a martyr

Considering how well Rasputin was in good relations with many of the royal family I see no reason to find it implausible

He's a martyr in the orthodox church, just pointing that out

No no no, I'm saying I've never seen evidence of him being an occultist or adulterer. He was definitely murdered by kikes.

He was also a terrible ruler

His wife might've been the adulteress, in that case

I was agreeing with you Caedes. I knew what you meant

his wife seemed a bit whacky with all the rasputin stuff

And because Rasputin was in with some of the family doesn’t mean he was in with all of them

I should think anyway

Ctzarist Russia was in fact a terrible place to live in

Pretty sure it was other families that actually wanted Rasputin dead

The czarina being a degenerate would make sense. She was raised a German prot.

Yes but that's a strawman there, no one's talking about living conditions

And agreed there Caedes

A wife can't invite and keep an occultist at the court for years without implicit approval of her husband

Nick was a shy and distracted ruler

Pretty sure it can be done

Unless he hid it well?

By his own admission he didn't want the throne right?

Yeah

As for being a poor ruler, he was a simple man, not well suited to the intrigues of politics. Most of what went on during his reign was actually the work of the aristocrats.

His father was the good ruler, murdered, however

Forgive me for being difficult, but this is the first I’ve ever heard the claims of Nicholas being an adulterer and an occultist

same

Yes, it's mostly to discredit his simplicity

Allegedly he had an affair with a ballerina

But there's not really much backing that up

Ah ok

Hadn’t heard that one before

Albeit, I don’t know a whole lot about that particular time in Russia

My focuses have been more on Western Europe and Rome