Message from @Pinky
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do Eastern Catholics acknowledge filioque?
That's a bit more complicated. They don't like most of the popes themselves, or how much power the pope has. That said, my buddy at least thinks Orthodoxy would benefit from a similar system.
But at the same time, if it’s possible, I should like to see us reconciled with each other
Orthodoxy invented a lot of post hoc anti thomist theology to justify schism
Which is the filioque
funny, Orthodoxy used to benefit from it when it was Catholic
Reconciliation is only one, which is submission to the Catholic Church. Anything else is a farce.
I’m aware
But they’ll never agree to it
Probably not on the whole, especially before Catholicism retakes politics power. Orthodoxy is easy to control with politics, be it Poland, the Sultan or Stalin.
The Orthodox don't like the filioque because they think it creates a subordinate role for the Holy Spirit, which in their view breaks the unity of the Trinity. I've been trying to come up with a good argument to counter that claim, but the EO are more mystery focused, making it difficult to formulate a convincing rational argument.
Most Eastern rite Catholics are Ukrainian, descending from those who converted during Polish rule.
True
Economic and political power play a major role in shaping that
Mystery focused is a fun way of saying bad at high level theology 😂
Economics drives everything else
The Ukrainians have their own issues concerning the Faith
Would it be wrong to honour Tsar Nicholas? He was a martyr after all
He was an occultist
And an adulter
In no way is he a martyr
I've never seen evidence of those first two.
Pretty sure those were rumors to discredit him
That I find hard to believe. He was definitely killed for political power
By Jewish bolsheviks
Yes, that is tangible
He was not killed for his faith, which is kind of the point of martyrdom
wasn't he at best just a bad ruler?
Yeah, I wouldn’t call him a martyr
Considering how well Rasputin was in good relations with many of the royal family I see no reason to find it implausible
He's a martyr in the orthodox church, just pointing that out
No no no, I'm saying I've never seen evidence of him being an occultist or adulterer. He was definitely murdered by kikes.
He was also a terrible ruler
His wife might've been the adulteress, in that case
I was agreeing with you Caedes. I knew what you meant
his wife seemed a bit whacky with all the rasputin stuff
And because Rasputin was in with some of the family doesn’t mean he was in with all of them
I should think anyway
Ctzarist Russia was in fact a terrible place to live in
Pretty sure it was other families that actually wanted Rasputin dead