also someone may have already said this, but PiS (Polish nationalist party) is most popular in Eastern Poland

the part less influenced by Germany

That's correct

The influence has spread though

maybe we should discuss this more deeply on the Slav server

@Jacob indeed, we must learn to harness that power

Polish elections still follow the 1914 Germany Russia border. PiS can now win in the former German parts, but remains stronger in the East. That could have more to do with the differing systems of collectivization and the fact that many Poles in what used to be Germany were moved there from what's now Belarus after WW2

comparing former imperial/colonial borders and present-day voting patterns is an interesting exercise

you find a correlation in many countries

Appendix A: a list of said countries

good call @Nemets

Romania has an even stronger correlation, but I admit to not knowing much about their politics

Almost anyone >>> ottomans

Soviet Union > EU

EEC was fine, but it was always intended to become a United States of Europe

I'm memeing but I'm also serious

Kalergi and others were clear on that

bad economic politices or whatever can be fixed

demographics displacement is hard to fix

Ehh. I think it's best to just say both the EU and USSR are horrible. We suggest, dare I say, a *third position* between communism and neoliberal globalism

I mean if I had to chose I'd pick the USSR

They at least had border controls

@Alex Kolchak - NY I guess they never miss, huh.

I'd choose the EU/USA because we can do more to turn things around here

@Zilna Jestov oof...

Not to mention I enjoy food

it’s all relative

I honestly doubt communism was as bad as immigrants say it is

I mean ya sure it was bad

but immigrants will always find stuff to whine about

my grandmother and mother just kind of took it for what it was

Anarchists are technically correct that the USSR was not real communism

And that's the space in which the USSR can be praised

my grandma appreciated having a consistent job and living in the decades after WWII when her village was literally razed

Yeah and then Lenin btfod the black army

Bye byeee

but I’m in no way defending the structural failings of communism

just that most ordinary people went along with it because it was decent enough most of the time

Well, the claims are pretty silly if you think about them for a bit. If I'm to believe what immigrants say, they had to wait 4 hours to get bread and everyone was starving. You'd think I'd have family members with stunted growth due to malnourishment if that was actually true.

My family wasn't particularly well off