Whats even the point of trying to "distance" ourselves from him? Literally no one outside the movement can see the nuance.

@Flint It does.

@Flint Disavowing after the fact is exactly what the Left does all the time.

We don't get the same luxury

@Flint In fact, that's their entire ideological justification for existence.

@Flint On the contrary, we do. Look at Rules for Radicals.

@Flint What happened to JF was undoubtedly a miscarriage of justice and is representative of the anarcho-tyranny that is the American legal system today.

That said, we as IE cannot change the verdict. We have done a great deal to distance ourselves from UTR (which is why the spergs call us opticscucks). We should not waste limited capital on a cause that would only serve to undo our progress under Patrick.

Cville ruined many lives. It was a loss. Focusing our energy on the POWs isn’t an effective strategy for victory @Flint

@TMatthews I agree.

Furthermore, if the wider right finds out we've cast JAF away because we want to protect ourselves from scrutiny --expect them to cast us away

@Flint They already have.

@Flint who cares about the wider right?

@Flint Good. The wider right is a bunch of cucks.

We have to have the balls to stand up for people getting railroaded by an antiwhite justice system

@Flint We also have to ensure that we are effective in our endeavors.

@Papa Pizzagate we should always care about allies

@Papa Pizzagate @Rabbidsith Are you guys being sincere? Balkanized whites is not the path to victory, it's the opposite

Oh no! Hunter Wallace/Richard Spencer/Matthew Parrot/Chris Cantwell doesn't like us? Good. I don't want them to.

At least a little

Can members write letters and send concession petty cash outside of I.E. acknowledgement? (I suggest using a pseudonym and PO box though, or no return address at all, feds def go through the mail).

@Flint I know: hence why we shouln't make JAF into a martyr.

@Flint Think about it this way: what argument are you trying to make with JAF?

@Flint Stand up how? Do you want a banner drop? Another UTR style rally? I just don't see what we could do even if we decided this was a hill worth dying on (it isn't).

if you are arguing that our justice system is fundamentally broken, then you are effectively arguing that you don't want to be countrymen with the rest of the U.S..

@Flint Give me your talking points.

@Flint Yes. We are filthy optics cucks. That's why we win.

@Rabbidsith The Nation is the Land and People, not the Kritarchy

@Wood-Ape - OK/MN there are probably people who write letters to prisoners in IE, they probably don't talk about it.

@Wood-Ape - OK/MN I agree.

@Freiheit - CA Yeah I understand not mixing the two

Our justice system is fundamentally broken. Fields is not the first or last miscarriage of justice. I'd rather focus on how Kate Steinle's killer, OJ Simpson, and the J20 rioters were acquitted than have to convince people to hear me out defending a "nazi who murdered a woman with his car"

@Wood-Ape - OK/MN However, for practical purposes, your talking points must line up with your goals as a potical movement.

@TMatthews I agree.

@Flint Again, I'm not doubting the factual accuracy of your claims.

IE and Prison are like Sun and Moon, both exist and are necessary, but they don't touch each other.

@Flint I am doubting that they make good talking points.

@Rabbidsith No, I'm not going to repeat myself, you already have my talking points. If you don't feel conviction for not sticking up for a white guy who got rail roaded bc you want to preserve our image (to what extent, by the way?)--that's on you. I don't expect everyone to see it as I do, but most do

Our aim is to lead the path forward for our people in this new world we are entering. Everyone else has had their chance and screwed up ROYALLY.

The lesson we should be taking from UTR is not "Ohhh there's no fair trial for pro-whites" it's "You lay down in the dirt with dogs, and you will catch fleas". These charlatans and scumbags have ruined what was potentially a good thing for egotistical reasons. Now a (stupid) young man will be forced to rot in jail as a consequence.

There will be more and better optics defendants than Fields in the future. Maybe it will be one of us. If it is and the member was behaving as we would expect, then it would be a fight worth having

@Flint I feel your same conviction.

Muh talking points