@Flint who cares about the wider right?

@Flint Good. The wider right is a bunch of cucks.

We have to have the balls to stand up for people getting railroaded by an antiwhite justice system

@Flint We also have to ensure that we are effective in our endeavors.

@Papa Pizzagate we should always care about allies

@Papa Pizzagate @Rabbidsith Are you guys being sincere? Balkanized whites is not the path to victory, it's the opposite

Oh no! Hunter Wallace/Richard Spencer/Matthew Parrot/Chris Cantwell doesn't like us? Good. I don't want them to.

At least a little

Can members write letters and send concession petty cash outside of I.E. acknowledgement? (I suggest using a pseudonym and PO box though, or no return address at all, feds def go through the mail).

@Flint I know: hence why we shouln't make JAF into a martyr.

@Flint Think about it this way: what argument are you trying to make with JAF?

@Flint Stand up how? Do you want a banner drop? Another UTR style rally? I just don't see what we could do even if we decided this was a hill worth dying on (it isn't).

if you are arguing that our justice system is fundamentally broken, then you are effectively arguing that you don't want to be countrymen with the rest of the U.S..

@Flint Give me your talking points.

@Flint Yes. We are filthy optics cucks. That's why we win.

@Rabbidsith The Nation is the Land and People, not the Kritarchy

@Wood-Ape - OK/MN there are probably people who write letters to prisoners in IE, they probably don't talk about it.

@Wood-Ape - OK/MN I agree.

@Freiheit - CA Yeah I understand not mixing the two

Our justice system is fundamentally broken. Fields is not the first or last miscarriage of justice. I'd rather focus on how Kate Steinle's killer, OJ Simpson, and the J20 rioters were acquitted than have to convince people to hear me out defending a "nazi who murdered a woman with his car"

@Wood-Ape - OK/MN However, for practical purposes, your talking points must line up with your goals as a potical movement.

@TMatthews I agree.

@Flint Again, I'm not doubting the factual accuracy of your claims.

IE and Prison are like Sun and Moon, both exist and are necessary, but they don't touch each other.

@Flint I am doubting that they make good talking points.

@Rabbidsith No, I'm not going to repeat myself, you already have my talking points. If you don't feel conviction for not sticking up for a white guy who got rail roaded bc you want to preserve our image (to what extent, by the way?)--that's on you. I don't expect everyone to see it as I do, but most do

Our aim is to lead the path forward for our people in this new world we are entering. Everyone else has had their chance and screwed up ROYALLY.

The lesson we should be taking from UTR is not "Ohhh there's no fair trial for pro-whites" it's "You lay down in the dirt with dogs, and you will catch fleas". These charlatans and scumbags have ruined what was potentially a good thing for egotistical reasons. Now a (stupid) young man will be forced to rot in jail as a consequence.

There will be more and better optics defendants than Fields in the future. Maybe it will be one of us. If it is and the member was behaving as we would expect, then it would be a fight worth having

@Flint I feel your same conviction.

Muh talking points

@Flint As a libertarian, I agree with you. As an American I agree with you.

@Wood-Ape - OK/MN I live in a city of about 120k, but there are plenty of woods around

@Flint However, as a pragmatic political activist, I understand that so much of what people see as reality is entirely a fantasy.

@Papa Pizzagate Sounds great, but what are the specifics on that? What is "lead[ing] the path forward for our people"? What does that *look* like?

It's not like we're celebrating the verdict. We're simply choosing not to say anything.

@Flint I suspect the conference in March will answer your questions, given its name

If you don’t want to be arrested by the commissars in our “justice system” you’re not a real countryman

Why say nothing when giving a cogent and concise response to this injustice is an option? We can be specific and detailed about how this affects us with out giving tacit support to violence

I'm gonna drop some hard truth on you @Flint. I feel really bad for Fields and I certainly don't think he deserves his fate, but he was objectively not a sound person. He was probably mentally disturbed, he came from a broken home, he physically attacked his MOTHER a number of times. His mom told him to be careful, he responded with a menacing quote and a photo of history's most hated dictator.

I can't speak for his intentions in going, but I am not convinced it was purely to peacefully protest the removal of a statue. The same goes for the rise above guys. Most of them have served multiple years in prison, committing felonies etc. They all have some redeeming qualities, no doubt - but there was enough evidence to prosecute, and prosecute they will...

@Flint Therefore, unless are arguing that this organization needs to focus on balkanization: something that is readily achievable IMHO, reality takes a back seat to rhetoric. As a libertarian, nothing disgusts me more than what I'm saying.

1. Get our speech rights back
2. Regain our right to peacefully assemble
3. Judicial fairness

^That is the only path forward, if we even want a path to walk on ten years from now