It kind of makes me think whoever did it is trying to so the seeds of discord.

Certainty is akin to fallibility in this world. Nobody should be certain of anything. I'm not even certain that the Russians didn't interfere directly with Dominion as a part of these allegations back in 2016.

@meglide To tell you the truth I joined mr. Grulers discord over my interest and work in criminal law. I am hoping this election stuff goes away. Until then, carry on.

I second this.

There's a whole big world full of them out there, rest assured

Right my point is when this is being dragged out an not heard in a court. It’s reasonable to say we don’t know until it is heard. The history of voter fraud not being enough to overturn elections in the past holds some merit, however, that would assume there are comparable elections. No election has taken place during COVID style restrictions and implications. That leaves the door open for all possibilities.

I found him on accident over election stuff and have greatly appreciated his take on what we see. I will continue once the election is past though. Criminal law is intriguing.

The Chinese are the only ones with the power to actually be able to scale receiving requested mail ballots.

I don’t think those elections are comparable. Why do you say that?

@Corndog, you just advanced to level 5!

Not to mention they have the embedded back doors in chips...always makes it nice and easy.

The Rittenhouse case is what got me here. There are aspects to this election fraud case thing that are interesting to me but I'm pretty close to being ready to move on.

Yeah

That will be in about 4 years probably lol 😝

@Corndog that’s your claim that your have not supported. Your idea is that this election has massive fraud. So far nothing . Hence the burden on Trump and his team. Just look at what they bright forward. Nothing of significance. The only thing that alluded to mass voter fraud is this kraken thing which is nuts

Can you clarify that? What is my claim that I have not supported precisely? I am not making the claim that this election has massive voter fraud. Why do you say that? Why are those elections comparable in light of the covid restrictions and ramifications?

Nice Trump said the GOP will win back the White House in 2024

@meglide I, for one, would for instance like to hear about the legality of the covid-countermeasures in the US, so I can compare them to here.

but...good night people.

The margins are small enough that it doesn't require massive fraud

It requires systematic skewing

Which have evidence of with mail in ballot rejection rates

@Corndog well then mail in is fraudulent. We have 7 states in the union that vote almost exclusively by mail for decades (0.0025 fraud rate) The burden is to show that mail in voter fraud is fraudulent. Again so far nothing

Compared to military and absentee

Like 10 votes in a state is massive really 😂

Anyone found this case on CourtListener?

https://twitter.com/DavidShafer/status/1334997760869888003

I hate it when they give me a screenshot that has no case number

Mail in ballot rejection based on signatures are great for catching people with poor handwriting not fraud.

That's your claim with zero backing

Why are those elections comparable to this one in light of COVID? Not being allowed to be within 6 feet, sometimes roped off across the room. Limited numbers of watchers. I think this election warrants a special case and extra prudence.

Wouldn’t the signature on file be equally terrible?

🤔🤔🤔

Also feel free to reread my previous questions. I would be happy to hear your answer.

@yetiCodes it’s not about how sloppy the signature is it’s the variance people have in signatures. Most people don’t practice a personal signature in modern times @yetiCodes

@Corndog you are saying mail in voting has issues. There is no evidence of this

Nope never said that. Please review what I said please.

State or anything about it?

@Corndog you appealed to covid restrictions

Right your point being?

Frankly, it's an intellectually dishonest stance - unless you are just trolling me. I'll assume for now that you are not. You proposed that bad actors could work in a decentralized manner. Fine... sure, it doesn't require centralization. Whether coordinated or decentralized, the likelihood for Biden supporters to have pulled off election fraud without anyone being caught in the act given the logistics required is arguably next to nothing. It would mean that every nefarious actor brilliantly executed their part and every MAGA supporter watching for the inevitable fraud, buffoonishly and miserably failed at their primary objective.

And now... without any credible evidence to date, Trump's supporters are demanding that state's legislatures overrule the will of the people because they would rather believe a fantastical version of events over the overwhelmingly likely version of events... and for what? So their guy wins?

Trump's supporters choose to believe anecdotal and circumstantial evidence as fact - even though it has yet to stand up to scrutiny in court - and, yes, nearly all of the cases have been dismissed, but nearly all of them included the judge's opinions on the merits of the evidence presented and not one of them found it credible. Not one. The NV case thrown out yesterday included, 10 (I think) deposed witnesses who testified under oath and under cross examination admitted they did not see fraud. They had expert witnesses that under oath testified that the election was conducted properly. Trump's witnesses, Trump's experts. It was not even close. However, the RWM says that the case was dismissed and not heard on its merits and that is false. It was dismissed, because it had no merit.

You have shared well thought out and cogent points of view. I can't imagine you don't see this for what it is... I actually hope you're just trolling me.

So what ballots were verified just the same in front of both republican and democrats poll workers @Corndog