@AdamS This is exactly why the US withdrew all funding from the WHO, didn't you hear?

"Well you're #$*(ing useless."

@meglide - I was wrong on months - mid December https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-19-likely-in-u-s-in-mid-december-2019-cdc-scientists-report-11606782449

Aug 2019 in China from what I read ... but something happened in Dec 2019 in China, I'm really wondering if some mutation occurred that made it deadly (or more deadly) at that time

That's one of the knock's on Trump... Take credit for something until something goes wrong and then blame someone else... Where does the buck stop?

It generally stops with the people responsible for the majority of their state's problems.

The US withdrew because Trump believes WHO is run by China. After the US withdrawal Britain & China invested more into WHO.

Not entirely true.

Which part?

That's only about 25% of the story.

That's kind of what everyone in politics does. I've never met one politician that said "I take full accountability for my actions"

The China part.

What’s the 75%

There are plenty of suits still pending that have constitutional ramifications and need to be adjudicated before I see that. The three pending from the Trump campaign are some examples. If they are not, my original point remains, the most reasonable option for a legislature to wait and see. If that leads to a contingent election, the results of that will also acceptable as it is within the constitution.

I want that gig... I get to take all the credit and get to place all the blame elsewhere. 😉

Now that makes sense.

@DisenchantedTruth yeah but the point is we couldn't have stopped it had we wanted to because we literally didn't know about it till it was too late

@AdamS They didn't think it prudent to warn the rest of the world when all they had was China saying "Hey guys, no evidence it's airborne. 😉

China then proceeded to buy EVERYONE'S PPE in mass.

So we were #$@!ed when it was found out it was airborne.

Yes! That was my point....all this finger-pointing at Trump is null. It was going around long before we knew.

Oh shiiit

Didn't even know about that bit.

Also they wanted to hedge their own financial virus related issues, by spreading the love.

Yep. WHO sucks.

Yes, they did this to the UK/AU/CA/US.

I swear I got that October 19. We all got sick after traveling from Japan. Who knows.

Then resold defective PPE to these places at hiked costs.

This is not true, China produces most of the worlds PPE. The US continued to sell PPE when it was required at home. Why would China buy anyone’s PPE?

I would add, any an unelected bureaucracy should never be tolerated without question.

@AdamS This is in fact true.

I don't know... I feel like Bush 43 owned his mistakes. I've heard Obama discuss his. Maybe it's a post-presidency reflection. I can't remember exactly.

To be fair they did

They wiped Australia out

Defective PPE they sold, yes.

@Corndog a contingent election has no grounds , all the cases Trump has put forth have failed and you can send me the docket of any pending cases. You are describing the possible routes for trump which is available for any president that wants to push the issue. It’s just a hope of what could happen and has abandoned any pretense of trying to justify any real fraud or malfeasance in the election process it self. This was always the plan to just make things up and build support in the base. That’s it

Also the fact (Yes Fact, I can prove it to you) that China modified the Sars-Cov-2 with gain of function research doesn't help things.

But I don’t remember China buying PPE

https://globalnews.ca/news/6858818/coronavirus-china-united-front-canada-protective-equipment-shortage/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/isabeltogoh/2020/05/04/china-covered-up-coronavirus-to-hoard-medical-supplies-dhs-report-finds/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/us-sent-millions-of-face-masks-to-china-early-this-year-ignoring-pandemic-warning-signs/2020/04/18/aaccf54a-7ff5-11ea-8013-1b6da0e4a2b7_story.html https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2020/04/02/us-exports-masks-ppe-china-surged-early-phase-coronavirus/5109747002/ https://www.outlookindia.com/website/story/world-news-china-not-only-hoarding-ppe-but-also-selling-at-high-price-white-house-official/351143 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/ppe-import-china-shortage-1.5552426

The CCP was running a PPE purchasing operation all over the world.

Well you weren't paying attention clearly.