@The Lion if you can't have children with your wife, it is possible to help a child and make your wife happy with an adopted child. I have heard of barren women conceiving after having an adopted child in the home.

@fgtveassassin how that's not a problem*

@The Lion keep asking questions, you'll get a whole lot of different opinions.

Don't be dissuaded.

If you talk to a hardcore pro-choicer about this infanticide thing, hit em with this:
There is already a standard procedure for life-threatening pregnancies over 20 weeks and for born disabled babies. Deliver the baby. If mom doesn't want it, the state takes possession of the child and someone adopts it (newborns are highly sought after by adopting families).
There does not exist a single possible medical situation wherein killing an infant capable of survival outside the womb is a necessary solution.

I can't believe I haven't heard anyone in the media say this yet, it's so blatantly obvious

Thanks for this

No prob

If normal delivery does legitimately threaten the mother, what is a case where you can't even do a c-section

Word

If you can't get a fetus out of the mother without killing her then she's going to die regardless

Amirite

In a sane country a woman seeking to kill her baby in the 2nd or 3rd trimester would be checked into in-patient psychiatric care and have the child taken by the state upon delivery.

I was prochoice up until like 12-15 weeks until very recently, probably the turn of the new year, but I never thought about it too much, but when you think about it for literally 20 seconds its just like; "Hey isn't there this thing called a c-section where the child isn't 'born' <:thinkplant:359034245777457173> "

I didn't give birth by c-section but from what I've read and heard they are more difficult to recover from than a natural delivery.

Women don't abort because they just don't want to go through the birth bit though.

I'd skip the birth and go straight to the baby if I could!

Tinfoil situation here: but a midwife I befriended told me that people that report being abducted by AYY LMAOs are almost always people who were born via C-section. The implication is the abduction memory is an exaggerated mutation of that trauma

Birth teleportation would be the biggest moneymaking invention in human history

Harsh light, fear, sterile environment, weird humanoids medically messing with you. It makes sense.

@Wood-Ape - OK/MN interesting! That makes so much sense

@The Lion There are plenty of white children in need of adoption. Why encourage non-whites to have children with no consequence when they know some family will simply adopt the kid for that utopian diverse family that's so en vogue currently.

It's so refreshing to hear a lady say that. Coming from college in cali I remember arguing eith a girl who was full on abortion supporter. It was disgusting. Every girl I knew in college supported abortion. It's infuriating.

Luckily gentle cesarean is an option now

I was a necessary C Section

No ayyyy trauma tho

I was a C-section because the cord was wrapped around my throat. 😳

Doctors' definition of "necessary" is often very unnecessary

Cord around throat almost never is an actual problem

@Wood-Ape - OK/MN re: this comment: fascinating. I have always been interested in this kind of stuff.

have you got anything beyond personal anecdote?

It's interdasting.

@Papa Pizzagate no books that explore the "alien memories are metastasized c section memories" thesis. Just a novel thought from an old friend that shared it with me.

haha yeah. highly specific.

Interesting none-the-less.

I've met some women who insisted on cesarian to protect their "figure"....I'd rather see a slightly different "figure" than a long abdominal scar tbh. I don't comprehend the motive.

Apparently actual birth isn’t fun

Birth trauma of all kinds has been documented, though I hadn't heard the alien thing before

She was an interesting person. Very wholesome and green. Barefoot and herbs in jars. Something of a wise woman.

It's the pregnancy that messes with your figure lol not the method of birth