jews bad innit

@Bernard

@sɪᴅɪsɴᴏᴛʜᴇʀᴇ it still has widespread private property

making it capitalist

it is

venezuela is capitalist

workers do not own the means of production

the market does

it is

socialism is when the workers own the means of production

regulation/ownership

>economic """""freedom"""""

@Earl of Morrrrgantown these kind of games still exist

also just turn up the difficulity lmao

^

up to both upper posts

economic freedom doesnt mean much

a mutualist society would have high levels of economic freedom

yet would be socialist

^

he mass privatized and supported krupp and all

state/socialism

free market can still exist in socialist societies

it can

mutualism for example

read up on mutualism friend

means of production are completely owned by the workers

however, a free market is omnipresent

@Earl of Morrrrgantown ehhh
complex games do exist

@Bernard i am far oversimplifying

plus i dont know enough

thats the definition of a trade union isnt it

hitler did raise inflation rates artificailly though bankrupting a lot of people
using the mefo scheme

>paying off banks with fake loans is socialism

he didnt

^

muchlike KDF

except KDF was bread and circuses the organization

>social security is socialism

lemaoe

welfare is not socialism
because it does not impact the means of production in any way

which is the only thing that matters

the control over the means of production

schacht's economic policy was quite free market

he befriended banks and all

tbh complexity for the sake of complexity is stupid imo

its not

the means of prouction are contorlled by the private sector

economic freedom is a meme

because free markets can exist under socialism

if cooperatives control the economy
that is socialism

cooperatives then trade their goods for money

on a market

@Diode same

^

do you agree that if cooperatives form the economy of a society that society is socialism @sɪᴅɪsɴᴏᴛʜᴇʀᴇ

explain individualist anarchism then

lmaoe

anarchism is an umbrella term thou8gh

ancap is a big fat meme

companies want a state

they will create one to influence their society much more effectively

yeah they do, things like lobbying for favourable laws

the big ones will create a state to control the society

you do realize that there are winners and losers

>socialism is when the government does stuff

i am a libertarian socialist

mutualism is free market socialism in simple terms

its not
a society where the workers own the means of production, but do not redistrubute the ends of production

@sɪᴅɪsɴᴏᴛʜᴇʀᴇ it doesnt

lets say workers ownt he means of production through cooperatives

where is the state needed there

@sɪᴅɪsɴᴏᴛʜᴇʀᴇ that is a purely marxist leninst interpretation of socialism

markets can exist in socialism

@sɪᴅɪsɴᴏᴛʜᴇʀᴇ explain mutualism then

where is the state in mutualism

what is mutualism

is mutualism socialism?

he was quite smart and dumb at the same time

i mean you have no idea what socialism is

no it has not

ussr had better life standards here than in the free market sociaty

no they arenot

economic freedom means jack shit

wow you know better than me, a person who grew up in ex ussr, or bernard who grew up in ex warsaw pact

yup you are so intelligent

>gdp in socialism

gdp is a capitalist statstic

it measures the height of the market
now where profit margins do not exist and where overconsumption is deincetivized the gdp will remain low

as little market turnover is had

it really wasnt

a lot of soviet produced goods are still in use now
everything from things like hangers cutlery to tools and thermometres and even freezers and all

because they last

they were

i live in the ex ussr

the stravation is a fat joke

it was a mismangement in the 30s

nothing else